Posted Tue Jan 09, 2007 7:14 am GMT by pm_french
You have 6 players, A - E, and A is the first to act in the betting round.
A leads out with 200 but D acts out of turn and announces 'Call' before B or C have acted. If B or C wanted to raise then is D committed to calling at least the 200 that A bet? Or can he muck without adding any chips to the pot.
What's the usual ruling for announcing call out of turn and an intervening player wants to raise?
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Posted Tue Jan 09, 2007 7:30 am GMT by Ninja_Fish
As I understand... If you call... in or out of turn... your money for the amount that you call... goes in the pot. No take backs.
But don't listen to me... wait for someone with more experience to answer.
Am I wrong guys?
Posted Tue Jan 09, 2007 8:35 am GMT by Ninja_Fish
Found this http://www.learn-texas-holdem.com/questions/betting-out-of-turn.htm
Betting Out Of Turn
Question: What happens when another player bets out of turn? What is the rule or, what should the rule be?
Answer: The rule is if there is action behind the player, the action stands. What that means is that if you act of out turn without letting the guy to your right act first and then other people put bets out after you, their bets are kept and his skipped move is treated as a check -- two wrongs kind of equal a right for practicality's sake. The reason for such a rule is that it isn't fair to the other players since they have already made their move and given up information. It is up to the dealer to make sure everyone acts in turn. If just one person is skipped, the person who acted out of turn can take their bet back but if more than one did, what I mentioned above applies. If this is a home game, you can be as lenient as you like.
Posted Tue Jan 09, 2007 10:49 am GMT by supafrey
The money from the call will have to be put in.
Posted Tue Jan 09, 2007 11:24 am GMT by Dave B
In most casinos you are not allowed to act out of turn, so no, you would not have to call. Verbal actions are only binding when the action is on you.
I sometimes like to say "check raise" from the blinds. I can check, but I cannot raise until the action is on me.
Now, if someone raises to 400 and you put out 200 not knowing it was raised and someone behind you quickly puts out 400 before it is noticed, you will need to complete the call since you acted and there is action behind you.
Conversely, if you are in the 1 seat and think the 10 seat has folded while they are considering a raise and you put your chips out to call and they raise, then you can put your bet back and muck provided there is no action behind you.
Rules vary from place to place, but I have never played where actions out of turn are enforced.
Posted Tue Jan 09, 2007 11:33 am GMT by Miss_J
| Dave B wrote: |
Now, if someone raises to 400 and you put out 200 not knowing it was raised and someone behind you quickly puts out 400 before it is noticed, you will need to complete the call since you acted and there is action behind you.
Conversely, if you are in the 1 seat and think the 10 seat has folded while they are considering a raise and you put your chips out to call and they raise, then you can put your bet back and muck provided there is no action behind you.
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never heard of this. you put it in, regardless of wethere someone behind you has acted yet.
Posted Tue Jan 09, 2007 1:45 pm GMT by kingetje
screw that, acting out of turn is not binding at all. verbally, or otherwise
Posted Tue Jan 09, 2007 3:15 pm GMT by Sid Lambert
According to Robert Ciaffone's Rules under "General Poker Rules, Betting and Raising":
10. Deliberately acting out of turn will not be tolerated. A player who checks out of turn may not bet or raise on the next turn to act. An action or verbal declaration out of turn may be ruled binding if there is no bet, call, or raise by an intervening player acting after the infraction has been committed. A player who has called out of turn may not change his wager to a raise under any circumstances.
However, in most home games I have played in, you just take the bet back cuz you were probably drunk or otherwise distracted...not trying to get information and influence ppl...of course if you start doing it all the time ppl would get angry...
Ciaffone is an influential poker rules authority, columnist for cardplayer, and us gambling law expert
Posted Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:53 pm GMT by jimmer
i played in a torny in Birmingham about 2 years ago. I got to the final table and this women kept anouncing her move as soon as the first player bet. (how she got to the final table i don't know)
anyway, it never really bothered me, but it did most of the others.
about an hour into it. she proclaims "call" on the first guys small pre-flop raise. the guy before her (who had more chips) goes all-in. she then tries to fold and all hell breaks lose.
in the end she was made to play. she ends up going all-in with pocket fours. the other guy has pocket queens and loses when a four comes on the river.
the guy then told the whole table to go all-in everytime this women anounced her hand out of turn.
(she then went nuts accusing everyone of ganging up in her)- i got knocked out shortly afterwards, but i hear she finished 3rd.
we then waited outside and gave her a kick'in.
(P.S I made that last bit up-thought it would jazz up the story!)
Posted Tue Jan 09, 2007 7:05 pm GMT by Sid Lambert
this is why there is stuff in the rules like "the dealer is the all powerful overlord" that prevents ppl from being jackasses like that
Posted Tue Jan 09, 2007 8:21 pm GMT by supafrey
There's a pretty good example of this in one of the seasons of HSP where Doyle put in money out of turn thinking the action was on him. He actually had a strong hand and they had to call out the poker manager for the ruling, but they decided that he HAD to atleast put in that amount of money and couldn't raise. It has been a couple weeks since I've seen that specific episode but I'm pretty much 90% sure that was the ruling.
Posted Tue Jan 09, 2007 9:52 pm GMT by aaronw
| supafrey wrote: | | There's a pretty good example of this in one of the seasons of HSP where Doyle put in money out of turn thinking the action was on him. He actually had a strong hand and they had to call out the poker manager for the ruling, but they decided that he HAD to atleast put in that amount of money and couldn't raise. It has been a couple weeks since I've seen that specific episode but I'm pretty much 90% sure that was the ruling. |
I remember seeing that episode and that was the ruling. He had to put in atleast that much money and I don't think he could raise.
Posted Tue Jan 09, 2007 11:27 pm GMT by Dave B
My comments were based on cash games, I know tournament rules are very different since your action and comments impact the other players more.
Posted Tue Jan 09, 2007 11:30 pm GMT by supafrey
| Dave B wrote: | | My comments were based on cash games, I know tournament rules are very different since your action and comments impact the other players more. |
HSP is a 300/600nl cash game.
Posted Tue Jan 09, 2007 11:58 pm GMT by Dave B
I know, but the original post did not specify.
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