How to protect bet against a flush draw? |
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Posted Thu Jan 11, 2007 5:59 pm GMT by snow_devill
Hello and Good day!
I seem to have diffilculties with protecting my hand from flush draw and I was wondering approximately what the correct bet would be . If you want a scenerio, here you go!
I have 10d/8d
the flop is 10h, 8h, 4c
one villian ( correct term?)
my stack 1400
his stack 3000
the pot 400
the blinds are currently running 100/50
I just think I am either under betting or getting called and drawn out on ... often.
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Posted Thu Jan 11, 2007 6:28 pm GMT by supafrey
350 and then 700-850 on the turn?
Posted Fri Jan 12, 2007 7:15 am GMT by pm_french
You can never fully protect your hand as this will totally depend on the player you are facing and whether or not they will make calls when they are not getting the correct odds to do so. There is nothing you can do if they are willing to call except maybe charge them even MORE. Some players may not look at odds but more what it is costing (especially players just starting on lower limits), ie, if a pot is $5 and you are charging $2, you are not giving them the correct pot odds however they may just think 'It's only 2 bucks'.
We know in the long run it's a losing bet however if someone is playing for fun then they may not care about the long term.
Just do the right thing by charging too much and the rest is up to the overlords.
BTW - I'm not sure if I'm on the right line here (someone else please comment) but provided you are not giving them the right price you actually WANT them to call as this is how you make your money. If you think they are on a flush draw then charge them what you think you can get from them (as long as you don't give them the correct odds).
Posted Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:20 pm GMT by jimmer
| pm_french wrote: | | BTW - I'm not sure if I'm on the right line here (someone else please comment) but provided you are not giving them the right price you actually WANT them to call as this is how you make your money. If you think they are on a flush draw then charge them what you think you can get from them (as long as you don't give them the correct odds). |
Yes you're right. If the villan is on a flush draw, it's around 4/1 that he'll hit. Therefore you need to bet an amount that means he's getting the wrong odds to call. In the example (if the pot was $150), you need to bet around $75 or more. With a $75 bet, the pot would then be $225 and the villan would be getting odds of 3/1 to call. the villan would therefore be playing with a negitive expectation and that's what you want.
Looking at it the other way, if you only bet $50, the villan would be getting 4/1 to call. therefore you're giving him the right odds to play. (actually this is still slightly wrong, but close enough)
However, saying that, players will sometimes play with a negitive expectation and win. Giving the villan the wrong odds doesn't guarantee a win.
Posted Fri Jan 12, 2007 5:58 pm GMT by Muck
Summary:
You can’t force your opponent to folding.
All you can do is make it a mistake for them to call.
For a better explanation of this theory read: The Theory of Poker.
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