Posted Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:13 am GMT by Ninja_Fish
I've seen poker odds charts that tell what your odds of hitting on a draw and the like... but what do you do if you are slow at counting outs?
Is there a chart that I can memorize that shows how many outs you have for a particular hand? What I mean is if I know I have both 3 to an outside straight and 4 to a flush flush on the flop, I could just add the value of each and subtract the discounted outs... and know my outs.
Is there such a chart or or am I just going to have to just figure them out and make my own chart?
I understand that these skills improve over time... but I'd like to shorten the learning curve by memorizing the things I need to know in the short run...
Heh... as it stands... I get all the outs figured out just about the time I need to make my decision on what to do. Then I don't have time to figure the odds and or the tells.
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Posted Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:49 am GMT by Geno
See that link on the left that says 'Odds Chart'? 
Click it (or here) and then if you click the word where is says, for example '3 Outs', it will bring up the scenario where this is true. Should be quite useful to you hopefully 
Posted Sat Jan 13, 2007 4:23 am GMT by Ninja_Fish
Thanks for the link.... but I was looking for a chart showing outs scenarios. I've seen the chart for figuring odds that depend on the number of outs you have... I'm looking for a chart that helps in counting outs.
Thanks for the the speed reply though
Posted Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:40 am GMT by Geno
I still think that chart is what you are after. When you click one of the 'X Outs' links, it shows you the scenario. For example, the 11 Outs scenario:
"Kh 2s on a flop of Jh Qd Tc
You have an outside straight draw and one overcard. You have eleven outs to make either the straight or pair your King. Those outs would be the four remaining Aces, the four remaining Nines, and the three remaining Kings. Chance of getting one of those eleven outs on the turn is 23.404%. Chance of getting it on either the turn or river combined is 41.721%. If nothing shows on the turn, your chance of getting one of your outs on just the river is 23.913%."
In that respect, you can memorise (if you like) that when you have an outside straight draw and one over, you have 11 outs.
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