Posted Sun Jan 14, 2007 1:25 pm GMT by Ensano
here's a hand that happened the other week and I keep racking my brain as to how to play it better...
POKERSTARS GAME #7765661929: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/01/04 - 18:12:37 (ET)
Table 'Pythia' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: andykaufman ($30.30 in chips)
Seat 2: gyulez ($19.25 in chips)
Seat 3: haverchuck22 ($56.80 in chips)
Seat 4: TYDeadMoney ($45.40 in chips)
Seat 5: kriegskeks ($8.15 in chips)
Seat 6: bombertime ($60.10 in chips)
Seat 7: Peugeot407 ($50.25 in chips)
Seat 8: Ensano ($58.70 in chips)
Seat 9: Devolver ($50.50 in chips)
andykaufman: posts small blind $0.25
gyulez: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ensano  
haverchuck22: raises $1.50 to $2
the UTG raise could mean pp from 10s-AA or AK maybe even AQ or AJ...
TYDeadMoney: folds
kriegskeks: folds
bombertime: folds
Peugeot407: folds
Ensano: calls $2
I usually reraise in this spot but figured since it was going to be heads up I'll hide my hand strength...
Devolver: folds
andykaufman: folds
gyulez: folds
*** FLOP ***   
haverchuck22: bets $2
a standard CB any of the previously mentioned hands still work..
Ensano: raises $4 to $6
to price out the draws and if a club hits I can get out...
haverchuck22: calls $4
*** TURN *** 
worst card that could hit...
haverchuck22: bets $3.50
shows he isn't afraid of the flush but doesn't c/r with it... AA, KK, QQ with a  makes sense here... also AK or AQ with 1 or two clubs also work...
Ensano: raises $7 to $10.50
haverchuck22: calls $7
call screams of a draw...
*** RIVER *** 
haverchuck22: bets $20.50
Ensano: ?
of all the hands that would play out like this AA, KK, QQ, AK , AQ , AK 1 club, AQ 1 club, AJ 1 club.. (8 hands) we're only behind 2... is calling here correct or is this an easy fold?
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Posted Sun Jan 14, 2007 2:18 pm GMT by MrDarling
I am far from an expert but here are my $0.02 (its pretty much all I have) :
first, not raising pre flop you indeed disguise your hand strength but you have no idea of his hand.
Now to me a $3.5 into a $16 pot is not sawing no fear from flush, if anything its an information bet, a blocking bet or a raise induce bet. His call indicate he doesn't think you got the flush but it doesn't indicate he has it, nor that he doesn't have it.
The river bet, $20 into $36 is a cleaver bet. It looks a lot like value bet, which means it can either be one, or not.
I make a crying call.
Posted Sun Jan 14, 2007 2:21 pm GMT by Eusebio
I would call here...
You almost get 2:1 and the only Hands that have you beat are AK and AQ
depends very much on your image and if you can be sure that he wouldnt raise with garbage like -connectors or 67
I guess its somebody who fell in love with his Aces
Posted Sun Jan 14, 2007 2:29 pm GMT by shorn7
Easy call. If he has the flush, oh well. You can't fold top set on this board for 2-1...if you do you will be losing money to his range of likely hands long term.
Posted Sun Jan 14, 2007 2:31 pm GMT by tame_deuces
If he is so tight that his raising range from EP should be TT-AA + AK and maybe AJ,AQ then I dont understand why the J is such a bad card.
Posted Sun Jan 14, 2007 2:47 pm GMT by Ensano
| tame_deuces wrote: | | If he is so tight that his raising range from EP should be TT-AA + AK and maybe AJ,AQ then I dont understand why the J is such a bad card. |
J say it's a bad card cause any other club or over card would set off a small alarm and I would be more cautious, but the J it's almost like the flush isn't even there... Also I don't think open raising from UTG with 10s-AA, AK-AJ is tight.. even at this lvl I don't see raising from UTG with garbage except for the maniacs... limping on the other hand would be way different...
Posted Sun Jan 14, 2007 3:17 pm GMT by Ensano
| MrDarling wrote: | | ... not raising pre flop you indeed disguise your hand strength but you have no idea of his hand. |
point taken about not knowing HIS strength, but in all fairness, with the range of UTG raising hands we put him on which of those fold to a reraise? The only time we find out anything is if he 3 bets.
Posted Sun Jan 14, 2007 3:20 pm GMT by Ensano
here's another similar hand....
POKERSTARS GAME #7924714987: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/01/13 - 22:46:27 (ET)
Table 'Galvarino II' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: R-mean ($33.60 in chips)
Seat 2: MarcoA_BR ($47.75 in chips)
Seat 3: CherryBeauch ($32.25 in chips)
Seat 4: jkpickett ($66.80 in chips)
Seat 5: eldzi ($62.95 in chips)
Seat 6: 4on4off ($31.70 in chips)
Seat 7: Ensano ($69.20 in chips)
Seat 8: AMAZ1NG ($49.25 in chips)
Seat 9: Im_The_Cheat ($16.85 in chips)
AMAZ1NG: posts small blind $0.25
Im_The_Cheat: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ensano  
R-mean: calls $0.50
MarcoA_BR: folds
CherryBeauch: folds
jkpickett: folds
eldzi: folds
4on4off: folds
Ensano: raises $1.50 to $2
AMAZ1NG: raises $3.50 to $5.50
Im_The_Cheat: folds
R-mean: folds
Ensano: raises $11 to $16.50
AMAZ1NG: calls $11
*** FLOP ***   
R-mean leaves the table
AMAZ1NG: checks
Ensano: ????
of all the hands that will reraise and call a 3bet what are we possibly ahead of here? Do we still bet out? If so, how much?
Posted Sun Jan 14, 2007 3:21 pm GMT by supafrey
| Ensano wrote: | | MrDarling wrote: | | ... not raising pre flop you indeed disguise your hand strength but you have no idea of his hand. |
point taken about not knowing HIS strength, but in all fairness, with the range of UTG raising hands we put him on which of those fold to a reraise? The only time we find out anything is if he 3 bets. |
errr exactly?
Posted Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:54 pm GMT by Ensano
for the first hand I make a crying call and he shows AK of clubs for the flush...
Posted Fri Jan 19, 2007 6:52 pm GMT by MasterMike
Although I did see the result with the Ace high flush, I dont think i would have called there, its just a gut feeling. Plus, people are dumb/not dumb in some ways, although the bet is less than the pot, the guy goes all in after he just called a big raise from you on the turn.
When he calls the turn, im thinking he is either slow playing the flush or waiting to hit his flush. If he had an overpair or trips, he might have raised their fearing another club or some sort of straight draw.
The last card obviously has missed him so for him to push would give me a sign that he hit on the turn or had another monster. More often than not, i dont think someone would bluff that much.
But like i said, this is just a gut feeling
Posted Fri Jan 19, 2007 7:00 pm GMT by Ensano
no no you're right... well I agree with you at least... whenever I call a large river bet like that I'm usually way behind...
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