Posted Mon Jan 15, 2007 1:48 pm GMT by Ciso_B
Since I been playing almost solely rebuy tournaments lately I thought I'd post a strategy I implement when I play. It's not pre determined but It is what nearly always happens so I thought it could be of use to you guys.
rebuy hour I will gamble alot here to ensure I have a very sizeable stack, this could mean rebuyin like 8-10 times but its worth if it, as it gives you alot of options after rebuy hour. I am talking being about double the average stack here.
2 hrs post rebuy I am usually above average stack, theres alot of play. I tend to play alot of flops, try and hit or bluff, anything to amass chips- it's a marathon winning these mtts and imo its difficult to do waiting around for AK +, even when you get these hands you arent guranteed action so ya know. Theres usually like 10m chips in play, be lucky or be good (both helps). If you feel confident with your post flop play, I would strongly advise playing plenty when the blinds are low (you may not get chance later). I will call a raise comfortably from ep with a hand like 10  7 or 8  6 or 3  3 knowing my opponent has me in bad shape , but also aware of the fact that If I hit my hand theres a strong possibility I am getting paid - its that simple. An example here is , UTG raises to $800 , blinds are $100/$200 and he has around $24k , I am in lp with 2 2 and am sitting with $22k, I will almost always call this if there hasnt been a re riase. Now text book is to fold 2s to an ep raise right? Well, I ll always call in this spot simply cos I think I can break my opponent if i catch that set, I am aware that I will flop it like 1 in 8 times, that means I will lose $6,400 before I hit it right? Well, the time i hit and double up I will be on.... ($22k - $6.4k = 15.6k x2= $30k) , I will be on 30k. Thats an $8k increase in my stack, so in the long run its a profitable move here imo. Plus I am not accounting for the fact that I might find a way to win a pot without catching a 3rd deuce.
So I guess I take alot of chances the 2 hrs or so after rebuy hoping to break opponents who fall in love with tptk or an overpair. If things are going well I will be in the top 50 or so when close to cashing- and here I will riase pre flop quite liberally, unless the table is continuously re raising (this is rare though), and in doing so build my stack up almost risk free. My raises are not huge in relation to the blinds like most poker players who tend to raise at least 3xbb but more like 2 1/2 x bb or 3 at the max. This usually gets the people after me to fold and entice action from one of my opponents in the blinds who feel inclined to call with a marginal hand cos pot odds are good and they are invested. I realise this , its why i raise small, I WANT a call from the blinds, they are oop and I will find a way to win the pot or have the better hand. At this point in the tournament I am probably playing 25% of the hands I get sometimes more like 30%, any hand I see the flop from I bet usually unless theres multi way action in which i ll be more careful about taking stabs at pots. SB to BB i tend not to raise as much as most, simply cos people online tend to re raise at will, so i will normally limp and take it down post flop without the need of a pre flop raise. If I am called, I will usually shutdown and not invest any more unless I have reason to beleive I can get my opponent to fold.
The closer you get to the FT the more your pre flop judgement comes into it, I try not to call all my chips hoping for "coin tosses" like many online as I feel there is enough dead money to be won. Re raising pre flop with hands like 8s+ or AQ etc is fine, as I know there is 2 ways I can win, but If I am not committed I rarely call all my chips gambling....I try not to risk all my chips too often cos you ll get burned unless your lucky. As I approach a FT, I maintain pre flop agression as this is when players are looking to make more money and go up on the ladder. Again every pot post flop I would take a bet at simply cos the pots are well worth taking now, my opponents connect 1/3 roughly, so that means 2/3 of pots are up for grabs and even the times my opponent does connect he might fold.
Final Table There is usually a fair amount of play at the final table, and I will happily peel off flops, flat calling with hands people would often re raise with (10s ,AK etc). I still steal alot, but now I am waiting for my opponents to make mistakes and punish them for it. If you're fortunate to get here, then you want to make the top 3 since that is where the money is. So play agressively, dont be afraid to bust out ...If you have courage of your convictions.
This way of playing tournaments has brought me reasonable success, I hope it does the same for you. Thanks for taking time to read.
Ciso
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Posted Mon Jan 15, 2007 2:05 pm GMT by Jefecaminador
An interesting way of playing cisco...
Obviously with your track record its something worth considering. Thanks for giving up the advice.
Posted Mon Jan 15, 2007 2:12 pm GMT by cayouche
Very nice read!!
It's nice to see that the way I see Rebuys (and MTTs in general), reflects how successful players, like you, see it.
Posted Mon Jan 15, 2007 2:53 pm GMT by BMiller1980
Thanks for the post. I think there are definitely some good points in there I haven't thought about.
Have you posted anything on non-rebuy tournaments? Or do you only play in the rebuy events?
Posted Mon Jan 15, 2007 4:09 pm GMT by misterjokerboy
Nice post Ciso, I have a question, during the rebuy period, what kind of hands do you call an all in with (as there's usually a lot of them). Will you call with things like suited connectors etc?
Cheers
Posted Mon Jan 15, 2007 4:39 pm GMT by BigSlick34
Yes a very nice post, I have the same question as cisco though:)
Posted Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:53 pm GMT by Ciso_B
2 people push, I ll call with close to anything tbh, more likely cards that can be live. Suited connectors for sure, if theres been just one push I prolly fold a hand i might choose to gamble with if theres another customer or 2. Very low requirements, like I said I am willing to rebuy up to 10 times so usually I can end rebuy with reasonable amount.
Posted Mon Jan 15, 2007 6:06 pm GMT by Skribbles
| Ciso_B wrote: | | 2 people push, I ll call with close to anything tbh, more likely cards that can be live. Suited connectors for sure, if theres been just one push I prolly fold a hand i might choose to gamble with if theres another customer or 2. Very low requirements, like I said I am willing to rebuy up to 10 times so usually I can end rebuy with reasonable amount. |
Good example of this was last night (I was playing and railing the tourny). Two players were all-in. Ciso calls w/T8s. Another player after calls. Ciso hits a straight and is up near 15K in chips because of that hand.
Big thing people need to realize about rebuys is if you're only prepared to rebuy once or twice... you are not going to be in good shape most of the time.
Posted Mon Jan 15, 2007 6:12 pm GMT by exit music
Thanks for the advice.
On average how many times do you realistically buy in per tournament? Maybe max 10, but avg 3-4 maybe?
If you have 2x the avg stack at the first break will you purchase the add-on?
In the couple times I've played this tournament I didn't even have to play that loose in the rebuy period because people at my table were throwing their chips in with basically anything, I was just waiting for 60/40s and usually they seemed to hold up.
Would you rather take a 30/70 in hopes to triple up or a 60/40 to double up? What about a 20/80 to quadruple up?
I plan on playing a lot of these tournament in the upcoming weeks and months.
Posted Mon Jan 15, 2007 6:53 pm GMT by supafrey
| Quote: | | Would you rather take a 30/70 in hopes to triple up or a 60/40 to double up? |
Is this a serious question?
Also yeah. Addons kind of rule.
Posted Mon Jan 15, 2007 9:08 pm GMT by Skribbles
Playing the $3 rebuy tonight and got screwed at a horrible table. No one was betting. One guy came to the table with alot of chips and thats it.
Last hand before rebuy ended....
okerStars Game #7958860130: Tournament #40451414, $3.00+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2007/01/15 - 20:59:40 (ET)
Table '40451414 125' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: TCR111 (3100 in chips)
Seat 2: Dave_Babych8 (2950 in chips)
Seat 3: Xulu (2125 in chips)
Seat 4: RayCintron (3000 in chips)
Seat 5: Franciozzy (3000 in chips)
Seat 6: rckclimnfool (3475 in chips)
Seat 7: WatchMePlay1 (4490 in chips)
Seat 8: Neek555 (32050 in chips)
Seat 9: svtnmtn (4870 in chips)
Xulu: posts small blind 50
RayCintron: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Dave_Babych8  
Franciozzy: folds
rckclimnfool: calls 100
Franciozzy said, "figured u had AK or something"
WatchMePlay1: folds
Neek555: calls 100
svtnmtn: folds
TCR111: calls 100
Dave_Babych8: raises 2850 to 2950 and is all-in
Xulu: calls 2075 and is all-in
RayCintron: folds
rckclimnfool: folds
Neek555: folds
TCR111: calls 2850
*** FLOP ***   
*** TURN *** 
*** RIVER *** 
*** SHOW DOWN ***
TCR111: shows   (a pair of Fours)
Dave_Babych8: shows (three of a kind, Fours)
Dave_Babych8 collected 1650 from side pot
Xulu: shows   (a pair of Fours)
Dave_Babych8 said, "thanx fellas"
Dave_Babych8 collected 6675 from main pot
rckclimnfool said, "r u kidding me"
Xulu re-buys and receives 1500 chips for $3.00
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 8325 Main pot 6675. Side pot 1650. | Rake 0
Board
Seat 1: TCR111 showed and lost with a pair of Fours
Seat 2: Dave_Babych8 (button) showed and won (8325) with three of a kind, Fours
Seat 3: Xulu (small blind) showed and lost with a pair of Fours
Seat 4: RayCintron (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Franciozzy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: rckclimnfool folded before Flop
Seat 7: WatchMePlay1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Neek555 folded before Flop
Seat 9: svtnmtn folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Posted Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:31 pm GMT by exit music
| supafrey wrote: | | Quote: | | Would you rather take a 30/70 in hopes to triple up or a 60/40 to double up? |
Is this a serious question?
Also yeah. Addons kind of rule. |
No it's more rediculous than serious. I'm just trying to clarify, taking the 40 or 30 isn't a bad idea early in a rebuy tournament. Seems CRAAZY.
Posted Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:34 pm GMT by supafrey
errr ... you said 30/70 and then 60/40
Posted Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:35 pm GMT by supafrey
p.s. i'm gonna stab whoever invented the 11 buck PS rebuy in the neck.
Posted Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:43 pm GMT by Skribbles
| supafrey wrote: | | p.s. i'm gonna stab whoever invented the 11 buck PS rebuy in the neck. |
You put on a beautiful show.
Posted Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:48 pm GMT by exit music
| supafrey wrote: | | errr ... you said 30/70 and then 60/40 |
Yeah I know - say you have AQo
Choose one:
You push and get 1 caller with J-9s
You push and get 2 callers with J-9s and 5-5
which situation do you prefer in a rebuy tournament?
One situation you are about 60% to win, the other you are about 30%.
Posted Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:02 am GMT by supafrey
#1 by a longshot.
Posted Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:07 pm GMT by mortaleclipse
Ciscos post is all true. Most of my success has come from the rebuys as well. That would say all my 100+ winnings have come from rebuys including my one 4k win. After rebuys he totally correct, u can easly build a stack to tptk against apponents if you flop a set ot 2 pair. Coming closer to the FT picking your spots is most important considering most becoome coin flips and not alot of post flop action. Either its all in or just folding close to the FT.
One thing I have also found getting closer to FT is that if your villian pairs at all he will probably call your all in. Example
Hero raise 3x with KK
Villain calls
Flop 2,6,9
Hero ALl IN
Villian calls with ace/6. Easy at that and he said he thought I missed the flop. Feed your chips threw mistakes which alot of people make them in this huge prizepool tourny.
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