Playing a Monster Draw in FL |
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Posted Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:13 pm GMT by lwestatbus
I was the BB in a $1/$2 FL ring game with A 8. Preflop came with two limpers, a raise by a moderately aggressive player, button cold calls, SB folds, I call, and the limpers call (as I expected they would). Flop comes 9 7 6. I check, it checks to the preflop raiser who bets, button calls, I raise, original raiser reraises, button folds, I call.
In hindsight I think my play here sucked a lot but I'm not sure which of many candidate reasons best describes why it sucked. (I'm even open to the outside chance that it didn't suck.)
Most of my draws were to almost the nuts unless the board pairs. Only J8 makes a better straight and only runner-runner sets up a straight flush draw. A paired board is obviously a concern if it happens.
So, should I have tried to retain more players in the pot by forgoing the check raise?
Or should I have pushed back at the original raiser by capping?
Or bet flop and RR as needed?
Turn misses me, I checked, raiser bets, I called.
Flop misses me, I check, raiser bets, I fold--he shows KK.
The outcome is immaterial to my question. I'd be deeply interested in opinions on how this should have been played.
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Posted Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:34 pm GMT by arras
I think I cap on the flop.
Posted Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:00 pm GMT by Gunslinger
One thing in a multi-way pot like this where you have huge equity, and you want to keep a lot of people in while building a pot, is your relative position to the raiser. If you had a vulnerable TP like hand that you wanted to protect, you would go for the check-raise in this situation, forcing the limpers to call two cold. In your hand, I would lead out, try to trap the limpers for at least one bet before the raiser most likely raises again. Definitely cap this flop, with all your equity.
Posted Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:05 pm GMT by MrDarling
The way I understand it you want to make the pot as big as possible.
Your c/r is the right move. But I do think you need to cap and lead the turn regardless of the card.
The river you can check/call unimproved
You can consider folding an unimproved river, but the pot will be so big this far that odds alone will make it a right call with A high
Posted Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:18 pm GMT by Gunslinger
| MrDarling wrote: | lead the turn regardless of the card.
The river you can check/call unimproved
You can consider folding an unimproved river, but the pot will be so big this far that odds alone will make it a right call with A high |
I wouldn't go so far as this. Going into the turn, you are heads up, your equity has dropped, and you are out of position. Check/call the turn. But on the missed river, even if your opponent is aggressive enough to three-bet the flop with an unimproved ace, he would have to have ace-five or worse for you to win.
Posted Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:29 pm GMT by Dave B
I cap the flop (however, if the players in the pot are in different position like someone on my left betting and the raiser reraising, I consider checking to abuse them on the turn). I also check the turn and only bet on the river if I hit something.
I think you can definately put the villian on an overpair. He really doesnt want anyone getting free cards w/ a drawing hand. If he had a set, he would likely call your check raise on the flop and see a turn before popping again.
Finally, since you were in the blind a preflop cap might get you a free card on the turn if he puts you on 2 pair. Although most 3/6 and under players wont realize that not many cap the flop w/ just a pair.
Posted Sun Jan 21, 2007 12:30 pm GMT by Phil14312
I lead out to trap the limpers along for the ride and I cap all day everyday, especially considering your ace is probably a clean out against the raiser. If I had the suited king or queen, I would be way more reluctant to cap.
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