Should I have called this? |
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Posted Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:52 am GMT by J279
Should I have called this raise given the odds. When the hand finished the guy berated me for calling his aces?!
PokerStars Game #8022664766: Tournament #40978609, $3.00+$0.40
Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/01/19 - 18:13:35 (ET)
Table '40978609 1' 10-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Tony5892 (1510 in chips)
Seat 3: BloodB. (3040 in chips)
Seat 4: vincedinh (1490 in chips)
Seat 5: MADMIKEY 7 (1470 in chips)
Seat 6: okieboy35 (1530 in chips)
Seat 7: JASER279 (1480 in chips)
Seat 8: BIG_blindONE (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: grk_111 (1580 in chips)
Seat 10: qazza (1400 in chips)
JASER279: posts small blind 10
BIG_blindONE: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JASER279  
grk_111: calls 20
qazza: folds
Tony5892: folds
BloodB.: raises 100 to 120
vincedinh: folds
MADMIKEY 7: calls 120
okieboy35: calls 120
JASER279: calls 110
BIG_blindONE: folds
grk_111: folds
*** FLOP ***   
JASER279: bets 160
BloodB.: raises 2760 to 2920 and is all-in
MADMIKEY 7: folds
okieboy35: folds
JASER279: calls 1200 and is all-in
*** TURN *** 
*** RIVER *** 
*** SHOW DOWN ***
JASER279: shows (two pair, Nines and Sevens)
BloodB.: shows   (two pair, Aces and Fives)
BloodB. collected 3240 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3240 | Rake 0
Board
Seat 1: Tony5892 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: BloodB. showed and won (3240) with two pair, Aces and Fives
Seat 4: vincedinh folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: MADMIKEY 7 folded on the Flop
Seat 6: okieboy35 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: JASER279 (small blind) showed and lost with two pair, Nines and Sevens
Seat 8: BIG_blindONE (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: grk_111 folded before Flop
Seat 10: qazza folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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Posted Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:41 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
You're getting very good pot odds, but you're out of position. Whether calling preflop is good or bad depends on how good a post flop player you are versus the other players' range of hands. Even if it's bad, it can't be that bad given that three people have already entered the pot and one more is likely to call as well. Problem is, you don't have a very big stack, so your implied odds aren't nearly as good--preflop play is veru *meh* to me.
On the flop, I think it's a relatively easy call. He's an idiot for berating you for calling with the best hand.
Posted Sat Jan 20, 2007 11:40 am GMT by Skribbles
I make that call pretty much every time.
Posted Sat Jan 20, 2007 11:48 am GMT by Ensano
given the preflop raise you can put the villian on an overpair or overcards and trying to push you out... the only reasonable hand to worry about is pocket 9s but the probability of that goes down considering you have a 9 in your hand so I'd call and smile while he turns over his overpair..
Why bet 160 into a 400 chip pot?
Posted Sat Jan 20, 2007 11:52 am GMT by Skribbles
| Ensano wrote: | given the preflop raise you can put the villian on an overpair or overcards and trying to push you out...
Why bet 160 into a 400 chip pot? |
Overcards to what? You basically said he has a pair or two high cards... kinda stating the obvious.
His bet of 160 accomplished it purpose of having the original raiser re-raise him.
Posted Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:04 pm GMT by Ensano
| Skribbles wrote: | | Ensano wrote: | given the preflop raise you can put the villian on an overpair or overcards and trying to push you out...
Why bet 160 into a 400 chip pot? |
Overcards to what? You basically said he has a pair or two high cards... kinda stating the obvious. Exactly.. that's why it's an easy call
His bet of 160 accomplished it purpose of having the original raiser re-raise him. It's just a weak bet... he might as well just have made the min bet |
you can't use the results of this hand to justify the bet he made. What if the villian was chasing something? Giving 3.5:1 for 1 card is bad
Posted Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:13 pm GMT by Skribbles
| Ensano wrote: | | Skribbles wrote: | | Ensano wrote: | given the preflop raise you can put the villian on an overpair or overcards and trying to push you out...
Why bet 160 into a 400 chip pot? |
Overcards to what? You basically said he has a pair or two high cards... kinda stating the obvious. Exactly.. that's why it's an easy call
His bet of 160 accomplished it purpose of having the original raiser re-raise him. It's just a weak bet... he might as well just have made the min bet |
you can't use the results of this hand to justify the bet he made. What if the villian was chasing something? Giving 3.5:1 for 1 card is bad |
Please tell me what the villian could be raising with that he would be chasing here? T8? 64? Those are the only two hands that could be chasing on this flop. Otherwise villian COULD be chasing a gutshot which we would be giving him the incorrect odds to do.
The bet is made to be weak and have someone come over the top. It looks like a "I have top pair, what do you have" bet. Guy says he has AA so he goes over the top. If he gets flat called then you can assume the villian has overcards but just can't let go.
And thanx for the shot, but I'm not basing my opinions on the results.
Posted Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:23 pm GMT by Ensano
http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_odds/texas_holdem .... an overpair is still more than 25% to win the hand... you JUST CAN"T start making small bets like that when your hand isn't a lock..
Posted Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:13 pm GMT by Skribbles
| Ensano wrote: | | http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_odds/texas_holdem .... an overpair is still more than 25% to win the hand... you JUST CAN"T start making small bets like that when your hand isn't a lock.. |
GEE THANKS! I never knew how to calculate odds! You have saved my poker career. Thanks Ensano!
Posted Sun Jan 21, 2007 2:32 am GMT by exit music
Early in a tournament I don't know why you'd even bother playing this hand for any raise. You're out of position, you clearly have a table full of people that are willing to waste a good % of their stack preflop. Wait for them to knock eachother out, save your 110 in chips for when they are calling your PF raise instead of the other way around.
Posted Sun Jan 21, 2007 2:47 am GMT by MrDarling
| Skribbles wrote: | | I make that call pretty much every time. |
Are you talking about the PF call or the flop call?
On the flop I want my money in as fast as possible. But PF calling a 6XBB raise from the worse position on the table?
Posted Sun Jan 21, 2007 1:48 pm GMT by Skribbles
| MrDarling wrote: | | Skribbles wrote: | | I make that call pretty much every time. |
Are you talking about the PF call or the flop call?
On the flop I want my money in as fast as possible. But PF calling a 6XBB raise from the worse position on the table? |
Both.
I prefer to play lots of hands early when blinds are cheap and players are horrible.
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