Posted Sun Jan 21, 2007 2:48 am GMT by supafrey
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Posted Sun Jan 21, 2007 2:51 am GMT by MrDarling
ouch.
Wouldn't it be better to push the turn seeing how many outs you got ?
Some times they just seems to keep calling with the best hands 
Posted Sun Jan 21, 2007 3:06 am GMT by supafrey
no i dont usually bet 700 into about 150, no.
Posted Sun Jan 21, 2007 5:21 am GMT by Geno
Someone finally figured out that you are full of sh*t. Good for them.
Posted Sun Jan 21, 2007 5:26 am GMT by MrDarling
By push I mean over betting. Or at least pricing out draws kind of a bet.
The 3rd bullet is a hard bullet to fire. You sure have guts!!
baaa, what do I know ?!
Posted Sun Jan 21, 2007 8:10 am GMT by tame_deuces
He has to fire the third bullet, queen high no good. Can't bet too much, can't bet too little. Its really fairly simple. (but still difficult! I don't mean to sound patronizing)
That's what the aggressive part of 'tight' and 'loose' aggressive is all about. 
Posted Sun Jan 21, 2007 11:04 am GMT by aaronw
Fold PF.
Posted Mon Jan 22, 2007 1:55 pm GMT by vyni
Sure I'll fire up my fan club for even sticking my nose in on this one... but I have to. And before the haters get all excited, this reply is not meant to insult anyone. I'm only bothering as we all know supa is a good poker player so this hh just has me curious as to what he was thinking.
Done stroking. That's all ya get.
I don't get the call post flop of 50 into the 70+50 pot, but I'm not looking at that point in the hh for this. That's a validly debateable call so I'm leaving it alone.
The bet on the turn with the board 4 to a straight is certainly valid after villans check, but a huge red flag should have gone up when he called it. He's telling you clearly here that he doesnt buy for a moment that you're holding the nine and opted to call you 105 bet into the 170 pot (touch over 61% of pot). The fact he just called says he thinks you're bluffing but doesnt likely have the straight himself unless he's counting on you trying to buy the pot on the river, which you did.
What I don't get is the size of the river bet: 310 into 380, a little over 81% of the pot after his check. I can't see how we would expect him to fold here when he's already established that he belileves he has you beat here. The 8 on the river just strengthens his position: if he's not buying the straight, he's not going to buy the boat or trip.
I'm just wondering why that 310 wager. What was it supposed to accomplish? He checked, giving us a chance to minimize the loss here.
The check/call on the turn tells us we're playing with fire... firing that 'third bullet' is not required when you're beat and likely won't shake the villan.
imho. Again, just wanting supa to clarify what he was thinking. No disrespect, not in the mood for drama.
Posted Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:31 pm GMT by TheSalche
I suppose what I'm curious about here is what hand are we trying to represent when we limp/call preflop, and then call the flop?
I suppose villain could think you had a hand like JQ, or JK, but I'm assuming you've been you're usual aggressive self and you're probably raising with those kinds of hands.
Jack 10? I think JT would raise that flop every time.
He could also think 89 I suppose, but thats one of a few hands you are representing that he's losing to.
He played this hand pretty passively, definitely doesn't seem like the type of player one should try to bluff. Next hand.
Posted Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:49 pm GMT by shorn7
| Quote: | | The bet on the turn with the board 4 to a straight is certainly valid after villans check, but a huge red flag should have gone up when he called it. He's telling you clearly here that he doesnt buy for a moment that you're holding the nine and opted to call you 105 bet into the 170 pot (touch over 61% of pot). The fact he just called says he thinks you're bluffing but doesnt likely have the straight himself unless he's counting on you trying to buy the pot on the river, which you did. |
This is definitely not true at higher online NL ring games. He might not believe you have a nine, but it DOES NOT mean that he will call the river if you bet again. What it likely means is that he knows if you don't have a nine, against most players he will get to see showdown for free by calling. Against supa and other good players who might recognize this, you can often represent on the river and he will muck.
Posted Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:24 pm GMT by khaosanroad
I think if the board had not paired on the river the villain would have folded to Supa's bet. He may have put Supa on a counterfeited 2 pair and called.
Posted Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:46 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| khaosanroad wrote: | | I think if the board had not paired on the river the villain would have folded to Supa's bet. He may have put Supa on a counterfeited 2 pair and called. |
The only two-pair that villain could beat is T7. That's a pretty specific read to call off $300.
Posted Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:53 pm GMT by khaosanroad
| Sean_in_NJ wrote: | | khaosanroad wrote: | | I think if the board had not paired on the river the villain would have folded to Supa's bet. He may have put Supa on a counterfeited 2 pair and called. |
The only two-pair that villain could beat is T7. That's a pretty specific read to call off $300. |
I realized that after thinking about it more.
Posted Mon Jan 22, 2007 5:30 pm GMT by 1988 TR
Nice call on the flop.
Posted Mon Jan 22, 2007 5:32 pm GMT by UrAteUp
gay...doinktastic too. That's all I got to say about that...
Posted Mon Jan 22, 2007 6:24 pm GMT by jeffonline
I would be interested to know, what were you thinking!
Posted Mon Jan 22, 2007 6:31 pm GMT by vyni
| shorn7 wrote: | | This is definitely not true at higher online NL ring games. He might not believe you have a nine, but it DOES NOT mean that he will call the river if you bet again. What it likely means is that he knows if you don't have a nine, against most players he will get to see showdown for free by calling. Against supa and other good players who might recognize this, you can often represent on the river and he will muck. |
I think I failed to properly illustrate my point: the 310 wager on the river was pretty close to being an exact echo of the turn. Even though it was slightly stronger than the previous bet, why would we even attempt it with a queen high against the preflop raiser who already established he doesnt buy the straight. 61 to 81 isnt signifigant enough here to expect any different reaction than we saw on the turn, so why even try it (at any limit).
Not saying the river bet should have been larger either before that's brought up. I suggest that we should have checked it away and ate the smaller loss.
Posted Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:42 pm GMT by TheSalche
| UrAteUp wrote: | | gay...doinktastic too. That's all I got to say about that... |
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