Posted Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:52 am GMT by Ciso_B
PokerStars Game #8189883073: Tournament #41629372, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (800/1600) - 2007/01/29 - 23:06:12 (ET)
Table '41629372 12' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: amichaiKK (36169 in chips)
Seat 2: mattster24 (33120 in chips)
Seat 4: Randers (46625 in chips)
Seat 5: PlzBelieveMe (27535 in chips)
Seat 6: mman_status (43680 in chips)
Seat 7: SHIPP ITT (100993 in chips)
Seat 8: IgorFederal (23058 in chips)
Seat 9: Neab (95538 in chips)
amichaiKK: posts the ante 75
mattster24: posts the ante 75
Randers: posts the ante 75
PlzBelieveMe: posts the ante 75
mman_status: posts the ante 75
SHIPP ITT: posts the ante 75
IgorFederal: posts the ante 75
Neab: posts the ante 75
SHIPP ITT: posts small blind 800
IgorFederal: posts big blind 1600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Neab  
Neab: raises 2800 to 4400
amichaiKK: folds
mattster24: folds
Randers: folds
PlzBelieveMe: calls 4400
mman_status: folds
SHIPP ITT: folds
IgorFederal: folds
*** FLOP ***   
Neab: bets 4400
PlzBelieveMe: calls 4400
*** TURN *** 
Neab: checks
PlzBelieveMe: checks
*** RIVER *** 
Neab: bets 8500
PlzBelieveMe: raises 10160 to 18660 and is all-in
Okay, Think I was getting laid like 6-1 on the river but i might be wrong, aint checked. I remember thinking "wtf can he have ?" ....I thought he would read me for a hand like Ks or Qs here to be honest the way I have played it, or a bluff like KQ so I wasnt sure. Set ? A less kicker pushing ?
When he re raises the river, I should be behind, but 2 questions I pose..... 1) Do you call? 2) Are you beat?
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Posted Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:01 am GMT by MrDarling
My first guess is he has a Pocket pair. Now seeing how you usually run down a table with aggression and checked the turn - he can think his Pair is still good.
He might also hit his set.
The way played, and amount of chips you have behind, I guess this is an auto call.
But I know nothing!
Posted Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:58 am GMT by Phil14312
I think the way this hand was played you should call the river, but expect to lose like 50% of the time. Either way, you are getting pretty good odds to call.
Posted Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:46 am GMT by Fat Tony
I'd say that he either has AX or a PP. I also think that you are priced in making this a pretty easy call
Posted Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:37 am GMT by Jefecaminador
He might be thinking, "if i'm wrong and i'm beat I'll have so few chips that I might as well push now and hope i'm winning". So he could easily be pushing a weaker ace or maybe something like jacks. That or he slow played a flopped set.
Posted Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:54 am GMT by Ciso_B
7-7 turned set....He said he sensed weakness ( so i guess I got what i wanted cept the 2 outer) , he said he was gonna bluff turn but then hit.
Thing I said was - anything I raise with pre flop and bet out on has 7-7 beat there, If I had an Ace hes beat, if I had a pocket pair its highly likely to be hihger (utg raise), so I think a re raise would be better option from him if he sensed weakness. Ended up finishing like 16th in this mtt....annoying.
Posted Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:19 pm GMT by kompis
Woah thats insane ciso, exactly same thing happened to me in mtt last night. raised it with AK oop... flop looked like that turn i checked he checked, river i bet and he went all.. i called with my AK and he had lower pp but didn make his two outer. I think u gotta call it really u played it in such a way taht he may think he can push u off it... so when he tries to do that i guess u call. same with my hand last night
Posted Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:15 pm GMT by TheSalche
I suppose this is a personal preference but I would've bet more on that turn, and probably raised a bit more preflop too. That might've made the hand a bit easier to play.
Posted Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:39 pm GMT by Ciso_B
Yeah salche - that is more standard....But I trying to disguise my hand, I trying to sell that ive missed/ that I am weak. When he flat calls flop , I thought theres good chance he got A10-AQ or 10-10 etc. Then I throwing alot of leash checking the turn ( also get a value bet in on river if he has 8s-js etc).....
Most people would raise more, but I prefer to keep the pot smaller If I can, $4,400 is a reasonable raise still imo and cos I am oop to boot I am keeping pot smaller. I think I played the hand relatively well and unfortunately got priced in. I got a marginal call from my opponent and he even said he was ready to bluff on the turn ( which is free chips for me really) so I aint hard on myself, I was curious however to know If you lot would fold on river since its hard to think he pushes river with one pair hand.
Posted Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:05 pm GMT by TheSalche
I think it's one of those really close situations for that river call.
On one hand you know you're beat a lot here, and you're almost calling to see what he had so you can play better against him, and other players in general etc.
But as you said, is he really pushing the river with less than TPTK? Probably never. However it looks really weak to fold there, and observant players might start to pounce on you.
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