Posted Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:14 am GMT by BeerWench13
Live MTT Blinds $700/1400 Ante $100
Top 9 get paid. 13 left in the tourney.
Hero - $8150
Villain - ~$9500
Hero has just been moved to the table ~6 hands prior. 2nd hand, hero pushes from the BB with KQs and doubles up. Hasn't played a hand since. Hero is in late position (2 from CO). Villain is UTG.
Villain pushes. Hero has AKo. What to do?
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Posted Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:16 am GMT by LeafsFan1122
Call. Your stack is too short to miss this oppourtunity.
Posted Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:22 am GMT by Jernej Zorec
i say push too,
without knowing how other stacks were, and asuming u dont want to just get itm its a push all day every day :D
Posted Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:39 am GMT by KingOHearts
Pooooooosh.
Posted Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:05 pm GMT by Skribbles
Definite push. You have maybe 5 more hands till you're forced to push anyway.
Posted Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:25 pm GMT by BeerWench13
Thanks, guys. That's what I thought as well. To be honest, my first instinct was to fold because I've been knocked out of more tourneys with AK than with any other hand. However, given my M and the fact that other than villain and one other player at the table, everyone else had monster stacks, I felt that pushing was my only option.
Posted Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:41 pm GMT by Gunslinger
Easy call.
Posted Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:44 pm GMT by golddog
Yep. Probably not going to get it in there a bunch better.
And BeerWench flopped top two, doubled up, and went on to win?
Posted Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:17 am GMT by shorn7
Yup. Beat villain in the pot. The only hand you are in big trouble too is AA and since you hold one, that is unlikely. Even against KK you are 70/30.
With an M of less than 5, there is little choice here.
Posted Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:17 am GMT by Gogie
You're only dominated by two hands - AA and KK. Any other hand, at worst it's a coin toss. No-brainer!
Posted Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:38 am GMT by BeerWench13
Yep I thought so too. I didn't have any read on my opponent, but given his stack size, the blinds and everyone else's stack sizes, I figured he'd push with any two face cards. He flips over AA and I'm out in 13th. Oh well.
Posted Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:02 am GMT by cayouche
Wench, you know that the only reason why you posted this is because you lost the hand, otherwise we wouldn't even talk about it.
I know, you know, that you keep running that hand in your head, but a call WAS the the play to make in your situation. There were probably a bunch of hands that we would've made the same play with, and from those hands, only 2 would've truly dominated you. In similar situations, AK will hold more than it will lose.
Posted Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:45 am GMT by BeerWench13
| cayouche wrote: | | Wench, you know that the only reason why you posted this is because you lost the hand, otherwise we wouldn't even talk about it. |
Probably. I'm not the best tournament player though, and I know this. My real question was whether or not someone in my position would fold and wait for a better opportunity since the guy pushed from EP and had me covered.
Posted Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:02 pm GMT by cayouche
Honestly, the only way I'm folding this, in this situation (stack size), is if it goes like All-In, call, call, All-In, call, call, and then it's your turn to talk. A bit exagerated, but you know what I mean.
Posted Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:20 pm GMT by wEbMaStEr
How many times have you seen this situation, esp. when shorthanded where the villian is pushing with Ax or KQ, KJ
Insta-call, his having AA is a bad beat 
Posted Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:27 pm GMT by BeerWench13
| wEbMaStEr wrote: | | How many times have you seen this situation, esp. when shorthanded where the villian is pushing with Ax or KQ, KJ |
Too many times. That's why I made the call. I just hate that little voice in the back of my head that pops up and says "Fold this. AK is death for you in tournament play." 4 of the last 5 live MTT's I've played I've gone down with big slick very near or on the bubble.
Posted Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:36 pm GMT by Ensano
| BeerWench13 wrote: | Live MTT Blinds $700/1400 Ante $100
Top 9 get paid. 13 left in the tourney.
Hero - $8150
Villain - ~$9500
Hero has just been moved to the table ~6 hands prior. 2nd hand, hero pushes from the BB with KQs and doubles up. Hasn't played a hand since. Hero is in late position (2 from CO). Villain is UTG.
Villain pushes. Hero has AKo. What to do? |
just a thought... seeing as how the villian wants action would it be a good move to do the limp/push...
even if no one raises wouldn't the risk/reward be worth it to get action?
(this is of course a SS play)
Posted Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:51 pm GMT by BeerWench13
| Ensano wrote: | | seeing as how the villian wants action would it be a good move to do the limp/push |
I don't know. His pushing UTG was pretty tricky. Since he pushed, it indicated to me that he didn't want action. That's why his having AA wasn't even a thought of mine. I was more hesitant thinking he would draw out on me or had TT-QQ and I would come up dry.
Posted Wed Jan 31, 2007 1:42 pm GMT by shorn7
If it makes you feel any better, the last three mtt's I have played I have pushed preflop with KK only to be shown AA and the door. 3 in a row!
Posted Wed Jan 31, 2007 1:43 pm GMT by BeerWench13
 Ouch! Well, I have to use my boss' favorite statement for that one... "Better you than me."
Posted Wed Jan 31, 2007 1:44 pm GMT by Ensano
yeah open push could mean anything from an unknown SS, but say it was you UTG with the aces... being a SS at the final table is no good so you have to double up... and what better hand to do it with... even if you go broke you have a story about your aces being cracked... if you limp and someone raises they're commited to calling your SS push... even if there's no raise, you're more than likely to catch someone with TP... sorry to push this but I was watching the 3rd quarter of the PTT on my tivo and it got me thinking about when it's right to slowplay aces when you NEED action...
Posted Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:00 pm GMT by BeerWench13
I see your point. It's risky, of course. You risk allowing the BB to check in with 74o and hit his 2 pair. I probably wouldn't do it. I certainly wouldn't with no knowledge of my opponents but I was the only one in that position at that table. Everyone else was already there when they broke down my table.
Posted Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:34 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| Ensano wrote: | | sorry to push this but I was watching the 3rd quarter of the PTT on my tivo and it got me thinking about when it's right to slowplay aces when you NEED action... |
Do you know just how many sirens go off when you limp UTG with 5-8BB left in your stack? The only ones giving you action in that spot are the unobservant ones, and they would've probably called had you raised or pushed.
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