Posted Wed Jan 31, 2007 1:42 pm GMT by TheSalche
at least I think so ... regardless of the results, what'd I do wrong here, what should I have done?
Hand 1:
Villain (UTG) is pretty much a nit, I've got him at 14/9/1.1 over 90 hands, I think he plays 2 or three tables at once.
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BB ($19.45)
UTG ($54.90)
MP ($98.90)
CO ($28.45)
Button ($51.10)
Hero ($56.30)
Preflop: Hero is SB with A , A .
UTG raises to $21 fold, CO calls $2, 1 fold, Hero raises to $7, 1 fold, UTG calls $5, CO calls $5.
Flop: ($19.50) 8 , T, Q (3 players)
Hero: bets $17, UTG calls $17, CO folds.
Turn: ($36.50) 4 (2 players)
Hero: bets $32.30
Hand 2: No reads on villain, I think my turn push was a bit fishy here. Thoughts?
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UTG ($93.40)
MP ($54.70)
CO ($47.95)
Button ($97.30)
Hero ($51.80)
BB ($49.25)
Preflop: Hero is SB with A , K.
3 folds, Button raises to $2, Hero raises to $6, 1 fold, Button calls $4.
Flop: ($12.50) 7, 5, 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $8, Button calls $8.
Turn: ($28.50) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $37.8 (All-In)
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Posted Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:41 pm GMT by MrDarling
Hand 1 - guess you are facing a set. Not much to do about, though I guess I might slow down on the turn. But I often get broke with A's. Who knows, he might over play TPTK..
Hand 2 - He seems to stick around. Probably a pocket pair. It is annoying how they do not see reason and do not fold when they should.
Its either a check / call a reasonable bet. Or a blocking bet.
Its amazing how effective are blocking bet in these lower levels. I get people to call me with the nuts.
WTF, you got the nuts in position, why don't you raise?
Posted Wed Jan 31, 2007 3:23 pm GMT by tame_deuces
Hand 1:
If he is a nit, he is prolly not calling your shove with a worse hand and he is (obv) never folding a better one so it doesn't make much sense.
Either way, as played...if you bet you're pretty much gonna have to call due to the odds, and C/F sucks bigtime vs anyone here, so you trapped yourself g00t.
With a nit you could prolly chill a little on the flop bet size with that texture and preflop action and then the hand is easier on the turn imho. With that low aggro he prolly isn't going psycho just cause you bet a little low.
Hand 2:
Villain could fold a better hand I since his flop call could just have been a float, so it could work. I don't like checking since he could steal the pot, and w/betting lower we're pretty much doomed to call a shove/have 0 FE on the river...so this works for me. Ofc, if he has strength is shucks...but c'est la vie.
Posted Wed Jan 31, 2007 4:40 pm GMT by Phil14312
Hand 1 is a tough spot. I think with two players you could've popped it preflop to 9 or 10 dollars, not that it makes this hand much easier to play on that flop. I usually go broke here too.
Hand 2: I think its fine, I like the push, you have good fold equity and a bunch of outs if he calls with something like TT.
Posted Wed Jan 31, 2007 5:30 pm GMT by kingetje
hand 1 is fine i think. deuces was right, if you bet you gotta call a push, and you cant just chick/fold. the 4 was a nice card
hand 2 - i dont like the push at all. hell probably just call ya with a PP. id try and get to the river/showdown as cheaply as possible
Posted Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:10 pm GMT by TheSalche
My thoughts in the heat of battle in these hands:
Hand 1 - oops I didn't raise enough preflop to get this pot heads up, so i'll just bet the crap out of the pot ... oh shit the nit just called me, hope he's got AQ or kings! let's see if i can push him off whatever he's got, don't have many other options
Hand 2- GOD F&(@&(ING DAMNIT STOP FLOATING ME!!!! Fold the turn you stupid a$$hole, cause you're beating nothing and i've got a flush draw + 2 overs even if you DO call
Posted Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:10 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Hand 1, I'm not too sure what kind of hand to put UTG on. If you say he's a nit, I don't see him calling with anything but a set or an overpair on the flop (maybe AQ), because is the type of guy who will call a reraise with QT preflop? That call on the flop might freeze me into checking the turn... being OOP sucks.
Hand 2, not so bad, you have a lot of fold equity and a good amount of outs against 88-QQ (which is what I'm guessing he holds). It's a risky play, but it represents Aces or Kings reasonably well. A risky play, but not super-crazy. Still, I try to avoid making this move very often unless I have a solid read on my opponent.
Posted Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:35 am GMT by exit music
First hand:
You can't be blamed for this first hand for a couple reasons.
-there are quite a range of likely hands that you are beating, and do want to charge full-price before the river
-you can't really fold this hand on the river regardless of what shows up, so push now and forever hold your peace
Second hand:
Standard C-bet on the flop. You caught your draw on the turn so you have a couple options based on what your opponents could have.
After his call on the flop he either had a draw   , 3 sevens, or an overpair/pair of fives.
Betting on the turn has some fold equity, you can definitely make 5s fold and if he's solid an overpair might fold here too. Sevens calls and a straight calls.
So you can either push in and hope he's got nothing b/c you are a 4:1 underdog against trips/str8
Or you can make a pseudo blocker bet, maybe $12-15 and hopefully take a look at a cheep river card. If he raises you clearly have to call, but if he just calls you can just fold the river and save $20 when you top-up your stack. If you hit he's obviously paying off your whole stack whether you stick it in on the turn or river.
Posted Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:50 pm GMT by TheSalche
| exit music wrote: |
-there are quite a range of likely hands that you are beating, and do want to charge full-price before the river |
what range is that? think about it
Posted Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:55 pm GMT by TheSalche
Anyways here's my post analysis:
Hand 1: Should've popped it up a bit more preflop due to the two callers, 8 or 9 is a better number to try to get it heads-up at least. I shouldn't have gone so nuts on the flop, since that pretty much priced me in to get all-in. I'm still probably going broke in this spot a lot against sets, but I think I need to start trusting my gut and folding overpairs.
Hand 2: Bad idea to make this turn play against an unknown, I've got probably 7 outs against a lot of hands (7X), against a high PP 88 - QQ I've got 15 outs, and against a low one I have 20 outs. Really making a simpler 2/3 pot bet and probably calling a push is a better way to play this one, since I can save myself money on the river if I wiff.
Posted Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:18 pm GMT by exit music
| TheSalche wrote: | | exit music wrote: |
-there are quite a range of likely hands that you are beating, and do want to charge full-price before the river |
what range is that? think about it |
KK
QA
QK
QJ
JK
J10
I dunno how likely all of these are, but they are all posibilities.
Although I'm also assuming you are beat here as well. You can't possibly fold an overpair every time, you can just hope to fold it some of the time.
Posted Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:44 pm GMT by TheSalche
Nits do not call 3bet raises with QK, QJ, JK or JT
Posted Fri Feb 02, 2007 8:41 pm GMT by exit music
| TheSalche wrote: | | Nits do not call 3bet raises with QK, QJ, JK or JT |
durr... obviously you don't play .05c/.10c
:P
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