getting value of a set - 3 way pot |
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Posted Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:26 am GMT by MrDarling
Yeah, my first post in Advanced Theory, I'm getting up in the poker world 
Anyway , had a nice multi table session today where I raked 3Xbuyin in about an hour.
The last hand of the day .
Villain 1 was min raising more then half the times PF and always lead with at least min bet the flop. When raised, he usually called and the lead the turn again.
Haven't seen him show down many hands, but am not to worry about him holding a great hand.
Full Tilt Poker Game #1730987571: Table Tara - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 6:56:38 ET - 2007/02/04
Seat 1: elegance88 ($9.45)
Seat 2: clarelt ($15.65)
Seat 3:BriscoCountyJr ($3.80)
Seat 4: TheEllement ($8.55)
Seat 5: SomeDudesWife ($2.90)
Seat 6: waiterseyes ($18.80)
Seat 8: hero ($25.35)
Seat 9: AllBidness ($10.70)
waiterseyes posts the small blind of $0.05
hero posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero  
AllBidness folds
elegance88 folds
clarelt folds
BriscoCountyJr raises to $0.20
TheEllement folds
SomeDudesWife calls $0.20
waiterseyes calls $0.15
hero calls $0.10
*** FLOP ***   
waiterseyes bets $0.30
hero calls $0.30
here I just call. Hoping everyone will follow and call and I will take over the turn. To be honest, didn't notice who raised this PF
BriscoCountyJr raises to $0.90
Logmania sits down
SomeDudesWife folds
Logmania adds $10
waiterseyes calls $0.60
cool, someone actually have a hand, time to take it home
hero raises to $2
Logmania is sitting out
BriscoCountyJr raises to $3.10
oops, dude really like his hand. Does he actually have 68. well considering his stack size, I pay him off. I also pay him off if he have a higher set
Logmania has returned
waiterseyes calls $2.20
hero raises to $25.15, and is all in
I think this is my mistake. Am not to worry about this guy, so why do I push him off the pot. Sure, he might be holding JT. But I think its better to let him draw to it and maybe even create a side pot.
BriscoCountyJr calls $0.50, and is all in
waiterseyes folds
Thought?
I really think I could have extracted more value out of this hand. There are only 2 hands that beat me right now. and if someone is drawing, he as at best 8 outs. Shouldn't I allow them to draw?
Danny
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Posted Sun Feb 04, 2007 5:20 pm GMT by TheSalche
You might've been able to get some more out of your opponent, but after you raise on the flop, he's probably playing the turn perfectly (i.e. he's only going all-in with a better hand).
I think you played it well, you still ended up making like 60BBs with the set.
Posted Sun Feb 04, 2007 5:36 pm GMT by shorn7
| Quote: | You might've been able to get some more out of your opponent, but after you raise on the flop, he's probably playing the turn perfectly (i.e. he's only going all-in with a better hand).
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Exactly. He won't call a big turn bet unless you are beat, so I like your play here. I think you extracted the best you could.
Posted Sun Feb 04, 2007 6:49 pm GMT by MrDarling
well, the guy lead the flop, then call a raise.
I might be able to take some value from him on the turn - I do now those weak ass value bets - either 1/3 pot or sometimes just plain ol' 10BB . With a pot that big, most players have to call such small bets.
of course this thread only started because other villain did suckout on me.
He had A's and spiked one on the river ....
But still, it got me thinking. Don't forget, this is micro levels here. If the guy called the first raise then cold call the second raise.
Is it really in my best interest to push him out of the pot?
what hands can he have to play like this? pocket pair, a draw?
Posted Sun Feb 04, 2007 10:27 pm GMT by TheSalche
the villain who folded here is pretty stupid IMO, theres no hand i can see that would cold call a 2nd raise w/o completing the action that a good player would hold
Posted Sun Feb 04, 2007 11:49 pm GMT by Phil14312
| TheSalche wrote: | You might've been able to get some more out of your opponent, but after you raise on the flop, he's probably playing the turn perfectly (i.e. he's only going all-in with a better hand).
I think you played it well, you still ended up making like 60BBs with the set. |
I agree with this.
Posted Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:57 am GMT by shorn7
| Quote: | well, the guy lead the flop, then call a raise.
I might be able to take some value from him on the turn - I do now those weak ass value bets - either 1/3 pot or sometimes just plain ol' 10BB . With a pot that big, most players have to call such small bets.
of course this thread only started because other villain did suckout on me.
He had A's and spiked one on the river ....
But still, it got me thinking. Don't forget, this is micro levels here. If the guy called the first raise then cold call the second raise.
Is it really in my best interest to push him out of the pot?
what hands can he have to play like this? pocket pair, a draw?
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You also have to think that there are cards that can come on the turn that kill your action too, so even if you chose to slowplay, you still might not get anymore out of him. I say make him pay right now if he wants to play a big pot. Generally, unless you have a hand that is a total monster where you can't be caught, it is good to get as much in the pot as possible early when people are willing to put a lot of $$ in with draws. A lot of players won't keep drawing for big $$ on the turn, so in effect you might be giving them a cheap shot to catch where they will only out more $$ in on the turn when you are behind.
In this hand, I like the push against several opponents given the stack sizes. And because it is micro limit, you might get both to make a very bad call when you are way ahead.
Posted Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:38 am GMT by tame_deuces
| shorn7 wrote: | | And because it is micro limit, you might get both to make a very bad call when you are way ahead. |
Excellent point which should be emphasized over and over again.
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