How to play AA, KK and AK suited? |
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Posted Mon Feb 05, 2007 5:44 pm GMT by 4Aces07
At a 9 man table should theese hands be slow played or not?
I have been dealt each of theese in my last 14 hands.
I raised 15x the big blind with aces in middle position and every1 folded.
A few hands later i got kings and done the same from same position hoping that this time someone else had a hand aswell, but again every1 folded. 
I then got ak suited and decided to just limp in.
Ended up getting out drawn and loosing to a flush!!! 
I have been playing poker for about 2 month now and am definitely an amature.
Any advice on how to play theese big hands cos there not winning any big pots for me. 
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Posted Mon Feb 05, 2007 6:07 pm GMT by mackkie
15x the BB is far too much, if you want to be aggressive in your PF raise, 4-6x BB raise is plenty if no one has opened for a raise yet.
Also look at the no limit cash strategy http://www.texasholdem-poker.com/forum/t21049/ak-no-limit-cash-strategy
OR
Ciso's post http://www.texasholdem-poker.com/forum/t21036/a-k-strategy
Posted Mon Feb 05, 2007 6:08 pm GMT by khaosanroad
Cash game or tournament?
In cash game I would recommend raising those hands 3-6 x bb. 15x is just too high unless someone already raised in front of you.
Edit: beat me too it
Posted Mon Feb 05, 2007 6:20 pm GMT by MasterMike
I stopped reading when you said 15xbb.
Why raise that much? Sure you want to eliminate the crap hands, but that just seems like overkill. You will get no action, and by the end of the hand, if its still going on, you are still only holding aces. Now, the majority of the time you will still win with them, if you get called at all, but its poker so just chill on the aces for a bit.
2nd, with the kings, if you overplay them, you are screwed.
What im most worried about you doing by raising 15xbb is you overplaying them.
Posted Mon Feb 05, 2007 6:32 pm GMT by jeffonline
You will get a lot of great advise from this forum and incorporate that with experience, you be well on your way. No matter what the hand, If you want action make the price right, if every one folds to a huge raise next time try not raising so much.
Posted Tue Feb 06, 2007 1:27 am GMT by MrDarling
Never slow play those big hands.
Well, not at least you are good enough to be able to fold them post flop.
Sure a lot of the time everybody will fold when you make a standard raise with your big hand.
but it is much better to win a small pot then lose a hugh one because you let the blinds play 72o and they caught 2 pair on the flop to bust your entire stack.
sure, you'd still lose with those big hands, but as you get better, you should be able to minimize those loses.
Posted Sun Feb 11, 2007 1:48 pm GMT by Geno
I feel like someone should qualify the "do not raise as much as 15xBB" replies..........
In a nutshell - if you are holding a hand such as AQ, AK or even QQ and you raise it this much, unless the other players at your table are complete idiots, you can basically ONLY be called (or raised) by a better hand.
Posted Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:10 pm GMT by pokerTim
15X the BB is WAYYY to much, I wouldn't be surprised if everyone folds. You want to keep players in the pot not scare them away.
I usually raise 3 x the BB. It keeps players calling and more money winds up in the pot.
Posted Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:59 am GMT by jimmer
Don't beat him up guys. If this is the norm raise on this table, then this is the right amount to raise. (I doubt it was, but we don't know either way)
You need to watch the table and learn the optimum amount to raise to
A) get action
B) steel the pot.
This will vary from table to table. Sometimes I've sat at a table and if anyone raises 2xbb everyone else folds. A couple of hours later (at the same table) a 4xbb raise gets 4 callers. You need to consistantly evaluate this and adjust accordingly.
Also it depends on your position. For example if you're in early position with pocket KK's I would raise slightly larger than if i was in last position with poket KK's and one caller.
Also, raising/calling also depends on the table. 9 times out of 10, i would always raise this hand preflop, but a few months ago, i was on a very loose agressive table with pocket Aces. I just called, knowing the table was gonna be raised. I could then come over the top and re-raise.
The last thing you need to bare in mind is whether you want action or not. If you have pocket Aces or Kings, you usually want someone in the pot with you. Therefore your raise should be big enough to lose the limpers, but small enough to suck someone in. If you have pocket 88's and you decide to raise, you really want to win the pot there-and-then. Therefore your raise needs to be big enough to get everyone else to fold.
Posted Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:30 pm GMT by PLOCH
Why I need really need to think about quitting.
Full Tilt Poker Game #1927541434: Table Steamship - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:22:20 ET - 2007/03/05
Seat 1: Keathan ($29.05)
Seat 2: Plochman ($32.30)
Seat 3: piggee ($100), is sitting out
Seat 4: XThe KingX ($41.50)
Seat 5: renobrock ($41.50)
Seat 6: 754575 ($16.25)
Seat 7: TimberTom ($70.80)
Seat 8: Tilt Rich ($78.10)
Seat 9: survivor07 ($48.70)
TimberTom posts the small blind of $0.50
Tilt Rich posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Plochman  
survivor07 folds
Keathan folds
piggee stands up
Plochman: putrid
wardhsulf sits down
Plochman has 15 seconds left to act
wardhsulf adds $77
Plochman raises to $3
XThe KingX calls $3
renobrock folds
754575 folds
TimberTom folds
Tilt Rich folds
*** FLOP ***   
Plochman bets $4
XThe KingX calls $4
*** TURN *** 
Plochman bets $25.30, and is all in
XThe KingX calls $25.30
Plochman shows
XThe KingX shows  
*** RIVER *** 
Plochman shows two pair, Aces and Kings
XThe KingX shows three of a kind, Kings
XThe KingX wins the pot ($63.10) with three of a kind, Kings
Plochman is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $66.10 | Rake $3
Board:
Seat 1: Keathan didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Plochman showed and lost with two pair, Aces and Kings
Seat 3: piggee is sitting out
Seat 4: XThe KingX showed and won ($63.10) with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 5: renobrock didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: 754575 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: TimberTom (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 8: Tilt Rich (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: survivor07 didn't bet (folded)
Posted Fri Mar 09, 2007 2:03 am GMT by MrDarling
PLOCH , I see a lot of players in the micro tables doing the same. Over push when they feel their huge hand is no longer the best.
There is no reason to push there. Who do you think you are pushing away? If he has you beat he will call. And if you have him beat he will fold.
Thats the exact opposite action that you want. When a sick card like that come, you might stab at the pot again, just to make sure he doesn't bluff and then fold to a raise , or try to get as cheap SD as possible.
Learning to fold over pair is hard, but some situations are easier then other. This is an easy place to fold them.
Posted Fri Mar 09, 2007 4:01 pm GMT by PLOCH
| MrDarling wrote: | PLOCH , I see a lot of players in the micro tables doing the same. Over push when they feel their huge hand is no longer the best.
There is no reason to push there. Who do you think you are pushing away? If he has you beat he will call. And if you have him beat he will fold.
Thats the exact opposite action that you want. When a sick card like that come, you might stab at the pot again, just to make sure he doesn't bluff and then fold to a raise , or try to get as cheap SD as possible.
Learning to fold over pair is hard, but some situations are easier then other. This is an easy place to fold them. |
If I go all-in after the flop instead of just $4 he would've called anyway. On the turn K I should've folded, I have in the past.
Posted Fri Mar 09, 2007 5:17 pm GMT by tame_deuces
| PLOCH wrote: |
If I go all-in after the flop instead of just $4 he would've called anyway. On the turn K I should've folded, I have in the past. |
Not that I necessarily advocate shoving the flop, but if you analyze your sentence and hand you will see that getting called on the flop gets your money in while ahead in this hand, whereas shoving the turn gets them in while behind.
You never know the coming cards so disregard the turn card when analyzing flop actions.
And even my short analysis is 'results' oriented as it takes the opponent's exact hand into account, so it is flawed. But I did it to prove a point. 
Posted Sat Mar 10, 2007 2:02 am GMT by MrDarling
I never said push the flop. All I said is don't push when the only hands that will call you has you beat. There is no value there.
Until the turn I play the hand pretty much the same , though I probably bet a little more PF ($4) and then more the flop ($6) .
I put another bet on this turn (probably 1/3 pot) and hopefully I can fold it if he raise. Though there is a chance he will just call.
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