These damn donks confuse me ... |
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Posted Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:31 am GMT by TheSalche
Okay so for like the 1275036th time in the last few days this has happened to me. I raise preflop and donk limp/calls the bet. He bets like 3 or 4 BBs into the pot and I raise him ~3.5x his bet size. He calls and then leads the turn for anywhere from 4 to 10 BBs. Usually I didn't have anything and I was just applying pressure to perceived weakness, this time I had top pair but I didn't like it. Thoughts?
Seat 1: Sonny617 ($47.80 in chips)
Seat 5: horace_20 ($33.05 in chips)
lvtravellers: posts small blind $0.25
PocketJacker: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sonny617  
lcky22: folds
horace_20: calls $0.50
bookhouse: folds
Sonny617: raises $2 to $2.50
lvtravellers: folds
PocketJacker: folds
horace_20: calls $2
*** FLOP ***   
horace_20: bets $0.50
Sonny617: raises $3.50 to $4
horace_20: calls $3.50
*** TURN *** 
horace_20: bets $1.50
Sonny617: calls $1.50
*** RIVER *** 
horace_20: bets $5
Sonny617: calls $5
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Posted Fri Feb 09, 2007 9:20 am GMT by shorn7
Well, I think I fold on the turn after he leads/calls your raise on the flop and then leads again. Sure, he could have a weaker Jack but I diubt it. A lot of times, these sequence spells set and he is trying to make the pot bigger so that you have to call a larger river bet if you have an overpair. Anyway, I have found it profitable to just fold top/good in these spots a lot since these hands aren't where you make most of your $$. You can't fold them all the time, but this looks like a good spot to do so.
Posted Fri Feb 09, 2007 9:24 am GMT by Jauron
What has he been showing down when he does this in the past? You said it has happened a lot, what are the normal results when it does?
The turn bet looks like a blocking bet, the river a bet that thinks it's ahead. I'd likely call this one, if nothing else but I want to know what it means for later.
Posted Fri Feb 09, 2007 9:55 am GMT by MrDarling
I think it means it happens a lot with different Donks.
In low levels I often see people limp with AK then playing very aggressively when they miss, or pretty passive when they hit.
I agree with the above. After he call's your raise and lead again, time to fold. That said, is lead is pretty weak, I often might fire another bullet. I hate calling since it shows weakness and allow for a bigger river bet when you almost always have to call.
Posted Fri Feb 09, 2007 10:21 am GMT by tame_deuces
Folding for 1.50 into a 13$ pot on the turn? No way.
We could still make or have the best hand + all things so far point to getting a cheap showdown on the river vs this guy, peel one off. Worst thing that happens is if he fires big on the river and we fold.
Posted Fri Feb 09, 2007 10:29 am GMT by TheSalche
| Jauron wrote: | What has he been showing down when he does this in the past? You said it has happened a lot, what are the normal results when it does?
The turn bet looks like a blocking bet, the river a bet that thinks it's ahead. I'd likely call this one, if nothing else but I want to know what it means for later. |
This donk is an unknown, and like I said, most times I've done this recently I had air, so I folded to their turn bets.
Posted Fri Feb 09, 2007 10:39 am GMT by UrAteUp
You have to call in my opinion. The only hands your paying off here is AA-JJ, J9, AJ and the like but my gut is telling me this guy is playing an A-rag hand and that turn bet was a blocking bet.
Posted Fri Feb 09, 2007 10:50 am GMT by Ensano
my money is on a garbage 2 pair...
Posted Fri Feb 09, 2007 11:26 am GMT by Sean_in_NJ
He could have a J, put you on a draw like QT, and didn't want to bloat the pot too much till the turn came up air.
Unfortunately, I get this a lot in FL games. Someone will lead into me on a two-flush flop, I'll raise with 2nd pair or something like that and they'll smooth call the raise and then lead the turn on their perceived "brick," believing I was trying to buy a free card with a draw. I usually wind up throwing my hand away because even though they have my hand read completely wrong, my draw isn't nearly as strong as they think it is. Chance of "making my flush" * fold equity = teh suck.
Posted Sat Feb 17, 2007 3:00 am GMT by odlozilik
I am surprised nobody consider to raise on the turn. His turn bet is weak.
Posted Sat Feb 17, 2007 11:19 am GMT by crack
| tame_deuces wrote: | Folding for 1.50 into a 13$ pot on the turn? No way.
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