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Posted Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:47 pm GMT by Ensano
this is a situation that came up in a sunday mil sat...
hero MP with AKo... stack about 1300
blinds 15/30
UTG+1 calls, hero raises to 150, MP+2 calls, SB (maniac and has pushed 3 times already) pushes for 800, BB (another push happy) reraises to 1900 (efeectively covering me)... now back to me..
knowing that MP+2 loves to chase and will most likely call due to pot size alone, should I be calling in this situation? or should I just wait for another time to get my money in
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Posted Fri Feb 09, 2007 3:00 pm GMT by UrAteUp
This is truely a coinflip situation at best. At worst your up against AA or KK. If you truely had a good read on both these players and know what types of hands they come into a pot raising with then you know you have to make the call here and pray for the best.
Posted Fri Feb 09, 2007 3:55 pm GMT by MrDarling
early on in MTT with big buyin, do you really need a coin flip against worse players?
Since you can usually out play them later on, why not wait for a better option?
Posted Fri Feb 09, 2007 4:27 pm GMT by TheSalche
| MrDarling wrote: | early on in MTT with big buyin, do you really need a coin flip against worse players?
Since you can usually out play them later on, why not wait for a better option? |
It's a satellite, I misread it first too, so you're excused 
Easy call IMO, there's so much dead money out there, and if these guys are pushing a lot you're ahead of their ranges. Really you're best bet here is that they have something like 77 and JJ.
Posted Fri Feb 09, 2007 5:08 pm GMT by exit music
This is a little different, but generally I don't mind playing AK for a lot of chips early on in an MTT or Satellite, I knew that at least one of these jokers would be all-in so I'm basically accepting a coin flip, although it also helped that I had all 3 comfortably covered:
POKERSTARS GAME #8298931601: TOURNAMENT #42321606, $6.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL V (75/150) - 2007/02/05 - 20:17:59 (ET)
Table '42321606 5' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: frouf (1685 in chips)
Seat 3: payphonebob (775 in chips)
Seat 4: astrodg (3190 in chips)
Seat 5: rilz (1705 in chips)
Seat 6: ptitof (5535 in chips)
Seat 7: amar30 (1540 in chips)
Seat 9: obeone (2265 in chips)
astrodg: posts small blind 75
rilz: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to astrodg  
ptitof: folds
amar30: folds
obeone: folds
POPCANNON is connected
DavSnook is connected
frouf: raises 300 to 450
payphonebob: raises 300 to 750
astrodg: raises 2440 to 3190 and is all-in
rilz: calls 1555 and is all-in
frouf: calls 1235 and is all-in
payphonebob: calls 25 and is all-in
*** FLOP ***   
*** TURN *** 
*** RIVER *** 
*** SHOW DOWN ***
astrodg: shows (two pair, Aces and Kings)
rilz: shows   (a pair of Queens)
astrodg collected 40 from side pot-2
frouf: shows   (a pair of Aces)
rilz said, "figured i had the best hand, of course i lose"
astrodg collected 2730 from side pot-1
astrodg said, "pwn'd"
payphonebob: shows   (a pair of Eights)
astrodg collected 3100 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5870 Main pot 3100. Side pot-1 2730. Side pot-2 40. | Rake 0
Board
Seat 1: frouf showed and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 3: payphonebob (button) showed and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 4: astrodg (small blind) showed and won (5870) with two pair, Aces and Kings
Seat 5: rilz (big blind) showed and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 6: ptitof folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: amar30 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: obeone folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Posted Fri Feb 09, 2007 5:30 pm GMT by Ensano
kk... well I quickly called, but now I realize that may not have been the best option...
well anyways... MP+2 calls also and they show...
SB 99
BB 88
me AKo
MP+2 A2o
Posted Fri Feb 09, 2007 6:05 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
That's an easy call early in a satellite or rebuy, simply for the fact that pushing range is WAY bigger than Aces or Kings, and against any other group of hands, pot odds dictate a call.
Posted Fri Feb 09, 2007 6:05 pm GMT by MrDarling
What are the odds for something like this?
If you sure no one has K's or A's you win this pot 1-3.3 and you only getting 1-3 for your money.
So its a fold, isn't it?
Posted Fri Feb 09, 2007 9:12 pm GMT by TheSalche
The key to winning MTTs is really getting lucky. You don't have as much time to wait around for a big hand unlike cash games where you can always play 100 BBs deep ... If you're making an even money call in terms of pot odds in an MTT, its probably closer to +EV, since when you win you have a significantly bigger "portion" of the prize pool.
This is why tournaments are high variance as well.
Posted Fri Feb 09, 2007 10:09 pm GMT by Skribbles
| MrDarling wrote: | What are the odds for something like this?
If you sure no one has K's or A's you win this pot 1-3.3 and you only getting 1-3 for your money.
So its a fold, isn't it? |
Pot odds mean ALOT less in tourny play compared to cash games.
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