Posted Mon Feb 12, 2007 10:13 am GMT by 4Aces07
One of my mates said that there is a time to fold pocket aces. He couldnt remeber, it was something on the internet he read.
Anyway, is this true?
Is there a situation where this would be the right thing to do?
Even if 4 players went all in before me i wouldnt fold them.
I just cant think of a situation where i would fold pocket rockets?! 
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Posted Mon Feb 12, 2007 10:21 am GMT by aaronw
The only situation where you MAY want to fold them is in a bubble situation in a tournament and there alot of really short stacks and someone ahead of you goes all in that has you covered. For example, if the top 10 people get paid with a seat to the WSOP or something and there are 11 people left... it MAY be the correct move to fold them. That is the only situation that I can think of. I could be wrong though. Also, I dont play any tournies... so Im not sure.
Posted Mon Feb 12, 2007 10:22 am GMT by MasterShake
It's something about if you're one away from the money, there are already like 3 or four players all-in in front of you and you're shorter than all of them. I'd still probably call, but mathmatically I guess it makes sense to fold since you're a dog to everyone else combinded and if you lose, you're the one who doesn't get paid.
Posted Mon Feb 12, 2007 10:43 am GMT by supafrey
| MasterShake wrote: | | It's something about if you're one away from the money, there are already like 3 or four players all-in in front of you and you're shorter than all of them. I'd still probably call, but mathmatically I guess it makes sense to fold since you're a dog to everyone else combinded and if you lose, you're the one who doesn't get paid. |
No. For the love of god no.
Posted Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:05 am GMT by Ensano
| supafrey wrote: | | MasterShake wrote: | | It's something about if you're one away from the money, there are already like 3 or four players all-in in front of you and you're shorter than all of them. I'd still probably call, but mathmatically I guess it makes sense to fold since you're a dog to everyone else combinded and if you lose, you're the one who doesn't get paid. |
No. For the love of god no. |
then enlighten us
Posted Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:05 am GMT by MasterShake
| supafrey wrote: | | MasterShake wrote: | | It's something about if you're one away from the money, there are already like 3 or four players all-in in front of you and you're shorter than all of them. I'd still probably call, but mathmatically I guess it makes sense to fold since you're a dog to everyone else combinded and if you lose, you're the one who doesn't get paid. |
No. For the love of god no. |
No what? No fold or no call?
Posted Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:21 am GMT by crack
Do a search, there was quite a big pointless thread on it a while back, but will answer your question.
Posted Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:40 pm GMT by Jauron
If memory serves if everyone gets the same prize and enough are all in one away from the "prize" and everyone has you covered, it is better to fold since you pretty much are going to "win" by folding and can only loose by calling. Of course it's possible that the board will make a split but this is not very likely.
Think the other one had to do with the table was too dumb to notice you were extremely short and likely to go busto in minutes before they had their all-in fest and you can fold it knowing even tripling up won't give you much of a shot but does allow you to move up a spot or two in real money. The problem with this is it's not likely to happen because most players aren't going to ignore the fact you are that short, and shame on you for being that short unless you just got crippled the hand or two before it. I'm talking like FT money here, or wherever the money starts to get good.
Personally I'd also consider it if the money jumped significantly and I was assure of this massive jump by folding. (or as close to assured as one can get preflop). I'm talking life changing money here, not a few grand.
Posted Mon Feb 12, 2007 8:11 pm GMT by wEbMaStEr
In certain situations preflop you will still have the best hand but may only be a 30% favourite to win the hand.
There are times when i would lay down AA preflop... they just haven't happened yet.
Posted Mon Feb 12, 2007 8:18 pm GMT by Skribbles
Only on the bubble of a Sat. if I have plenty of chips.... facing a push from a big stack of course.
Posted Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:38 am GMT by mackkie
| Skribbles wrote: | | Only on the bubble of a Sat. if I have plenty of chips.... facing a push from a big stack of course. |
Ur nuts...go for the win. Who cares if you make $15.29 on your $10 tourney buyin. Calling a big stack all in with AA will win barring a suckout and will help u make it deep into a tourney and possibly a FT.
When I play i go for the win/FT and not laying down AA because im on the bubble.
Posted Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:49 am GMT by aaronw
| mackkie wrote: | | Skribbles wrote: | | Only on the bubble of a Sat. if I have plenty of chips.... facing a push from a big stack of course. |
Ur nuts...go for the win. Who cares if you make $15.29 on your $10 tourney buyin. Calling a big stack all in with AA will win barring a suckout and will help u make it deep into a tourney and possibly a FT.
When I play i go for the win/FT and not laying down AA because im on the bubble. |
NO! The fact that all of the places pay the same, so you arent really looking to move up in spots. You are just looking to get past the bubble.
Posted Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:53 am GMT by mackkie
Got ya, i didnt read that part...yeah, i would agree with that statement reguarding a sat. tourney.
TBH, I was just trying to post pad in the prev. post... 
Posted Tue Feb 13, 2007 7:05 am GMT by wEbMaStEr
post pad?
Posted Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:42 am GMT by tame_deuces
Example a:
Player 1: 80% chance to win the pot.
Player 2: 20% chance to win the pot.
Estimated value per chip:
Player 1 wins 80 and loses 20 per 1 chip bet in the pot. Per 1 chip he gains .60 in profit.
Example b: AA vs KK,QQ,JJ,A9s,TT
Player 1: 44% chance to win the pot.
Player 2: 19% chance to win the pot.
Player 3: 14% chance to win the pot.
Player 4: 12% chance to win the pot.
Player 5: 11% chance to win the pot
Player 1 wins 1.76 per and loses 0.56 per 1 chip bet in the pot. Per 1 chip bet he gains a 1.2 profit.
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In this example the multiway pot with aces is twice as profitable as the HU pot with aces.
Also going into a multiway pot is profitable if your equity is higher than 100/number of players in the pot - this is almost always true with aces (there are a few scenarios where both pairs of aces are dealt where this isn't true).
So the only time you should fold aces is when you know with certainty that there is a gain in $$$ to be made from it, this is really only possible in some final table scenarios which have a 0.0001% chance of becoming reality and in satellite tournaments with a flat payout near the bubble in some select few scenarios.
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