Posted Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:27 am GMT by BigSlick34
Morning everyone.
Was just wondering for those of you who have played on both sites what is the advantage/disadvantages of each. From what I understand, Full tilt gives rakeback as Pokerstars tourny traffic is much better. Any add-ons I would love to hear:)
GL on the tables XD
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Posted Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:31 am GMT by BeerWench13
I play on both sites and appreciate them equally. Lately the hubby's been playing on my FT account (and building it nicely, I must add) so I've been playing on Stars. To be honest, I don't see a huge difference between the two other than different interfaces. I could care less about that really, so they're both pretty much the same to me. I just usually play on whichever one that he's not playing. He's determined to build my FT account back up to $300 where it was before I made my withdrawal down to $50 during the "ban scare". So far he's tripled it up. He rocks!
Posted Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:08 pm GMT by crack
I prefer full tilt. Decent enough tournaments in non holdem games blind stricture isnt so good, but I play cash games mainly and RB > * plus I trust the people who run FT better than the people who run PS.
That said, I play on them both, usually stars for their bigger tournies on the weekend.
Posted Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:14 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
I prefer Stars. Better game selection, bigger tournaments, better structures, very cool FPP store.
Customer service is usually quite good on both sites, so no real preference there.
Big drawback to Stars is that they rarely have bonuses and do not offer rakeback, but again, their selection of FPP merchandise is very good (I got my iPod from them).
Also, I really hate the FT interface for some reason.
Posted Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:19 pm GMT by Geno
I can't get on with the look and feel of FTP, Stars is much 'cleaner' and easier to use I think.
Posted Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:20 pm GMT by BigSlick34
Okay guys thanks, It seems fulltilt is better because the rakeback, however I wasnt aware of this when I joined it. I love small mtt's (3$ or less) and I feel stars is better for that matter. My problem when im trying to build my BR is playing cash games. On full tilt no matter what blinds I play on I seem to get in a big hand where im always ahead and get sucked out on the river which always ruins my newly earned profit. On Ps however playing the very small blinds (only for a few days) Ive come out ahead on every single session. Im thinking im going to lean towards stars until I get back in the mood to try to grind out my 180$ bonus on full tilt.
Posted Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:04 pm GMT by exit music
The only reason that Full Tilt comes close to the quality of Pokerstars is because of rakeback, without that feature it wouldn't even be close.
That said, I still prefer pokerstars.
Posted Fri Feb 16, 2007 4:33 am GMT by crack
You can customise your full tilt software to look a lot better if you know where to find the mods.
Posted Fri Feb 16, 2007 6:13 am GMT by wEbMaStEr
Is fulltilt running rebuy tourneys yet?
In terms of customer support pokerstars is streets ahead, altho they aint as good as they used to be before the crash. With the influx of customers they really need to up their level of support.
crack, who runs full tilt and why would you trust them more than those who run pokerstars?
Posted Fri Feb 16, 2007 8:03 am GMT by crack
| wEbMaStEr wrote: | Is fulltilt running rebuy tourneys yet?
crack, who runs full tilt and why would you trust them more than those who run pokerstars? |
Yeah they have rebuys.
Howerd Lederer is heavily involved in the running of FT and I am assured he is an honest guy who wants to protect the integrity of the game.
Where as on stars there is clear evidence of cheating with player partnerships in cash games and they seem to do nothing about it.
Posted Fri Feb 16, 2007 8:24 am GMT by BeerWench13
| crack wrote: | | Where as on stars there is clear evidence of cheating with player partnerships in cash games and they seem to do nothing about it. |
Really? I've never seen this (well, at least it wasn't obvious). It must be at the higher stakes.
Posted Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:08 am GMT by crack
It's more common in split games, but I have also experienced it in Stud and Razz at 10/20.
A friend of mine spotted it going in the 30/60 games as well. I reported the people got no reply and they were still playing (I havent checked for a while).
So thanks, but no thanks for me. I will continue to play their tournaments but for me the cash games are a no go.
Posted Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:10 am GMT by BeerWench13
I've always felt that collusion was a possiblilty in online play. It would be nearly impossible to regulate for the site. However, I'll still risk my $50 for some cheap entertainment.
Posted Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:33 am GMT by crack
Nah, I don't think it would be impossible to regulate at all. They shold have a team dedicated to this sort of area which then track any suyspected players over a course of a few weeks, looking at the way the hands have been played, how frequently they play in the same game and a whole list of trends.
I am not saying it doesn't happen at Full Tilt, but what I am saying is they appear to take a better stance on the issue of collusion and since me and a friend of mine moved over to there, neither of us have seen anything untoward except people calling eachothers mum a whore and the usual online "banter" 
I don't want to be some sort of a scaremonger or anything and play where you want, but the only time you will see me in a cash game on Stars will be when the IRC regulars get together and donk it up.
Posted Fri Feb 16, 2007 11:44 am GMT by wEbMaStEr
Pokerstars do indeed investigate players for collusion, I know, i have been investigated, I was also totally exonerated. I have also had money put in my account because someone else has been investigated and found to have been cheating. This has happened several times.
At the end of the day tho I wouldn't play at a site I wasn't 100% sure of, neither should you.
Posted Fri Feb 16, 2007 11:53 am GMT by supafrey
| wEbMaStEr wrote: | | I have also had money put in my account because someone else has been investigated and found to have been cheating. This has happened several times. . |
I once spent an entire week on stars only playing 600nl and 1knl. At the end of it I got an email and about 12 cents sent to my account. They obv refuse to tell me who cheated, when, or how, but literally told me "not to worry" because the amount was that small because I had been playing on "low stakes" table, and the cheater couldn't win that much.
While all sites have "investigation teams", I seriously doubt the competency of any of them. The vast majority of poker players are dumb as hell, and I really see no way that FT could sift through this. Dealing with colluders and cheaters on FT+Stars, disconnect abusers on WPX and Party and multi-accounters on Celeb, I've sort of just chalked it all up as operation costs for my poker biz =P
I hope you guys realize that dozens of regular online pros use multiple entries into the big tourneys weekly tourneys, multiaccount, etc. The sites are very lax a lot of the time. I hope you also know that Zeejustin got all of his cheating money back.
Posted Fri Feb 16, 2007 11:56 am GMT by MrDarling
For me the fact the FT is represented by so many big names pro does help to make me trust it more. Especially since the site is owned by a couple of them, its their name thats on the line...
That said, I am a very trusting person. And the only reason I stuck with FT long enough to like it is because I had no other alternative (not too much out there for the mac)
Posted Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:03 pm GMT by crack
Well I dunno then webby, perhaps they are and my email(s) just didn't get through but I can only go by my own experiences with what has happened and for me I wouldn't trust Stars as far as I could throw them. Perhaps it's because it's the only site I am stuck on and I am just bitter.
All joking aside, I won't play cash games on there again.
Posted Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:02 pm GMT by wEbMaStEr
That's fair enough crack, I honestly couldn't give one point to recommend stars to someone who plays on fulltilt, other than the bigger mtts if that's your bag. On the other hand when FT is offering $600 bonus + rakeback + they now have rebuy tourneys.... The problem for me is that they don't have deposits via switch/maestro altho I'm told that will change in the next few weeks.
| supafrey wrote: | | I hope you also know that Zeejustin got all of his cheating money back. |
Are you talking about the $100K+ that Party froze? I never heard anything about his getting this back. Altho I also heard that none of the players affected got a whiff of it either.
Posted Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:21 pm GMT by supafrey
| wEbMaStEr wrote: |
| supafrey wrote: | | I hope you also know that Zeejustin got all of his cheating money back. |
Are you talking about the $100K+ that Party froze? I never heard anything about his getting this back. Altho I also heard that none of the players affected got a whiff of it either. |
It's a pretty badly kept secret that almost all of the money was returned, and the problem "dealt with". This is why he was at the PCA, etc. (He had problems with party, stars, etc)
Posted Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:39 pm GMT by wEbMaStEr
He was banned on Party and had $100k+ taken away, afaik he was never banned on stars
Posted Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:43 pm GMT by supafrey
All of his bans and the vast majority of his money have been reinstated. A few poker room managers from stars and party were conversing about a "deal" that was reached over on 2+2 before their posts were self-deleted several days later. When questioned, they were basically told they were forbidden by the higherups from both sites from talking about it anymore. ZJ has just smiled when questioned.
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Posted Sun Feb 18, 2007 1:05 am GMT by suitedaces84
Why did they give ZJ his money back? And where did this money come from? I was under the impression they redistributed his tournament winnings. Did he threaten legal action or something? It seems like he'd have a hard time doing anything because they're all outside of the US and he did violate their policies. And the terms he agreed to probably say they get to keep his money if he cheats blah blah. Do you have a link to any of this?
Posted Sun Feb 18, 2007 1:12 am GMT by Ryan_j37
What happend with this cheating?
Posted Sun Feb 18, 2007 1:28 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Double post. see below.
Posted Sun Feb 18, 2007 1:28 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
| Ryan_j37 wrote: | | What happend with this cheating? |
He had multiple accounts running and playing in the same tournaments, sometimes at the same table. Obviously, this constitutes collusion and gives him an unfair advantage against other players. Real douchebag move IMO, especially since he was so good he didn't have to cheat.
Anyway, when Party found out about it, he was immediately banned and his funds seized. Since then, he has made a few big cashes on the live circuit, and for some reason he's getting his money back. Doesn't change the fact that he will always be scum in my eyes.
Posted Sun Feb 18, 2007 2:55 am GMT by Ensano
| xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: | | Ryan_j37 wrote: | | What happend with this cheating? |
He had multiple accounts running and playing in the same tournaments, sometimes at the same table. Obviously, this constitutes collusion and gives him an unfair advantage against other players. Real douchebag move IMO, especially since he was so good he didn't have to cheat.
Anyway, when Party found out about it, he was immediately banned and his funds seized. Since then, he has made a few big cashes on the live circuit, and for some reason he's getting his money back. Doesn't change the fact that he will always be scum in my eyes. |
isn't this a common thing for big online tourney players?... i thought they all did it?...
Posted Sun Feb 18, 2007 3:10 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
In a word? No. Having multiple accounts is illegal for a reason. And it's even worse when you're using them simultaneously.
Most sites monitor this pretty regularly; just ask Ciso, who was suspended from Full Tilt without any evidence of wrongdoing (and I am 100% sure he was doing nothing wrong) because he supposedly had an old account.
Posted Sun Feb 18, 2007 7:18 am GMT by crack
He wasn't actually suspended, just his new account closed and was told to use his old one.
Posted Sun Feb 18, 2007 10:42 am GMT by supafrey
"monitering pretty frequently" is a bit misleading. There are ways for having multiple accounts, etc, and they usually don't catch on for a while.
As for discussions and links: Nope, not really. The 2+2ers having these talks deleted all of their references to the juicy info (they openly said that their sites told 'em to not talk about it) and any real kind of financial settlement for this amount of money would probably have a clause that they have to keep the dealings secret. =/
Posted Thu Feb 22, 2007 4:18 pm GMT by LCFC17
 Hi there, me and my m8s are too young to play for real money online yet, not for long, so only play money and poker nights for us at the moment. But just wondering what is rakeback?
Also if me and my friends were playing on the same cash table regularly would we then become suspicious to these moderators/people on stars and FT?
Thanks, Tom
Posted Thu Feb 22, 2007 4:46 pm GMT by crack
You generate an amount to each pot in rake which is collected by the poker sites. Rakeback is where you can get a percentage of the rake the poker sites take back, usually ranging from 20-30%. If you are a high volume player this can notch up to a nice little amount.
Some sites won't let you play if you are from the same town, because of collusion, so in short yeah it will look a bit suspicous to them.
Posted Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:42 am GMT by LCFC17
Thanks
Some sites won't let you play if you are from the same town, because of collusion, so in short yeah it will look a bit suspicous to them./quote
ahh, too bad. Probably best I dont take any more of there money anyway  
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