Posted Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:58 pm GMT by MrDarling
Every time we facing an UTG raise we all say it most be a very strong hand.
However, what should we do with the marginal hands UTG
1. small pairs (2's-9's), low suited connectors
2. mid pairs (T's-Q's)?.
3. high suited connectors
4. AJ - AQ
My thoughts :
1. limp or fold. We don't mind calling a raise but we usually wont have odds to call a reraise
2. ? I usually lead with those. Is that ok?
3. limp / fold
4. again, I usually lead with those, but am thinking its a leak.
Help
Danny
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Posted Mon Feb 19, 2007 3:50 pm GMT by Skribbles
1) Depends.
2) Depends.
3) Depends.
4) Depends.
Posted Mon Feb 19, 2007 3:51 pm GMT by tame_deuces
I'll assume you mean full ring tables.
Just look at the table and decide. Stack sizes, avg. pot sizes, what players are after you etc.
If some big station with a 250BB stack is after you and you cover him, then obv you need to get in there with any hand which has some potential etc.
As for TT-QQ those are high pairs which you can safely play from UTG in any NL game. AQ-AJ are very good hands in low stakes games.
With lots of bad players you can probably set-fish with PPs from EP all day long.
Most of the time you can fold the marginal hands from UTG and it won't do anything to and from and it saves you alot of time.
Posted Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:33 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Under "normal" circumstances...
1. Usually limp.
2. Usually raise.
3. Usually limp.
4. Usually fold AJo from UTG, usually raise AQ and AJs.
There are only about 10,000 other factors that might alter these actions, but I'd say in general that's how I'd play them at most tables.
Posted Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:07 pm GMT by golddog
What they all said, usually or depends.
Don't get caught in the mindset of "given this position and these cards, my action is X".
I think you're describing the plays pretty well, but don't forget to change it up based on a number of factors like chip stacks, reads on others, tournament/cash game, etc, etc, etc.
Also, don't forget those conditions post-flop (or if you're raised). Let's say you limp with 99 and UTG+1, tight, solid, reraises. Hmm, might want to get out. The same thing, but LAG button reraises, you might come over the top.
It's all situational. Sometimes, you just have to get your money in there with 33...
Since you posted in Basic Theory, I'll assume you're a beginner. For now, just play solid/tight/aggressive, working on noticing the other details. Throw in a variation once in a while, but think of this as your education.
Posted Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:53 pm GMT by Felting
Here's my thoughts.
If table is loose/weak. limp from any position with:
Suited connectors(looking for flush/straight draws and two pair/trip flops)
small pairs(for sets on the flop)
Ax suited.(for nut flush draws, two pair, or trips flops)
any 2 cards 10 or higher suited or not(straight draws, top pair, two pair flops)
if table is tight/weak still play a lot of hands. Against unimaginative tight players you'll know when the flop hits them verses hits you most the time.
if table is aggressive(loose or tight) stick to power hands out of position played for a raise
Posted Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:09 am GMT by Ryan_j37
| xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: | Under "normal" circumstances...
1. Usually limp.
2. Usually raise.
3. Usually limp.
4. Usually fold AJo from UTG, usually raise AQ and AJs.
There are only about 10,000 other factors that might alter these actions, but I'd say in general that's how I'd play them at most tables. |
Interesting, i usually limp with AJ from UTG and raise from good position. I also usually fold good suited connectors UTG and limp in good position. What do you think of this?
Posted Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:43 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
The problem with limping with AJ in EP, is imagine the following scenario.
You limp UTG with AJ. The button raises 4x the BB. The blinds fold, and you call. The flop comes A-9-6. One of two things bad might happen.
1. You check and the button bets. On the turn, you either check and the blind doubles his bet and fires again. Now what do you do?
2. You lead the flop or the turn, and get raised? Now what do you do?
I find it's a lot easier to have an idea of where I stand with a hand like T9s, 98s, or 87s than with a hand like AJ, especially in a raised pot. But I will usually raise in a later position if the pot is unopened or there has been a single limper and I hold AJ. Being out of position sucks bad enough without the compounding confusion of having a hand that usually wins by making only one pair.
Posted Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:59 am GMT by Ryan_j37
| xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: | The problem with limping with AJ in EP, is imagine the following scenario.
You limp UTG with AJ. The button raises 4x the BB. The blinds fold, and you call. The flop comes A-9-6. One of two things bad might happen.
1. You check and the button bets. On the turn, you either check and the blind doubles his bet and fires again. Now what do you do?
2. You lead the flop or the turn, and get raised? Now what do you do?
I find it's a lot easier to have an idea of where I stand with a hand like T9s, 98s, or 87s than with a hand like AJ, especially in a raised pot. But I will usually raise in a later position if the pot is unopened or there has been a single limper and I hold AJ. Being out of position sucks bad enough without the compounding confusion of having a hand that usually wins by making only one pair. |
This is logical i guess. What about decent suited connectors? I usually only play them if i have 1 or more limpers in front of me which means i play them in position and have better implied odds. I also struggle with what to do when calling raises with them.
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