Posted Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:03 am GMT by Dave B
Multi last night on Full Tilt. I was even for the 1st hour, then made a nice run and was in the top 10 for the next hour. I had slid back a bit, I had about 13k in chips and blinds and antes were 200/400/50.
I was in the cutoff w/ KQ and raise to 1500. The small blind called, all others folded. The flop came KJ6 w/ 2 suited. There was nearly 4k in the pot and I had 11.5k left.
He checks the flop to me. Check, bet? How much?
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Posted Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:08 am GMT by MrDarling
An MTT champ ask our advise ?
hard to tell without any info :
How big is his stack.
How tricky is he? Can he flat call AK? Will he call a raise with KJ?
How often did he push or over bet?
Will he check to SD?
Does he have c/r in him?
Posted Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:50 am GMT by Dave B
He has me covered, I just moved to the table about 5 hands ago, we started w/ 1k people and are down to 150, 115 get ITM and anything significant isnt until the top 20.
Posted Wed Feb 21, 2007 10:24 am GMT by crack
I'd bet it around 1/2 to 2/3 of the pot and see what happens.
Posted Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:13 am GMT by Ciso_B
$1800-$2,500 flop bet most of the time I think.
Posted Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:59 am GMT by shorn7
Yeah, standard bet here and you might let it go to any resistance. I suppose you could check behind and let one peel off since he probably calls (or raises) with any good draw, but I am not sure I like that play here.
Posted Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:40 pm GMT by Ensano
| crack wrote: | | I'd bet it around 1/2 to 2/3 of the pot and see what happens. |
Posted Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:52 pm GMT by golddog
Hmmm...continuation sounds good, especially with position. On the other hand, I don't mind playing it fast and taking it down here.
One thing I wanted to mention related to this is adjusting your bets. I don't know if I've been confusing people or am just on a good streak, but I've been trying to put in odd amount to throw the opponent off.
In this example, I might throw 1950 or 2200 or something like that out there instead of rounding it to 2k.
I guess my vote is for ~2K bet, fold to c/r, be ready to check or fold if the turn is scary.
But I'd probably really bet about the pot, get called by KJ, and be on the rail shortly.
Posted Wed Feb 21, 2007 4:30 pm GMT by TheSalche
any reads on the big stack here?
Posted Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:12 pm GMT by Dave B
No reads, just 5 hands on a new table.
No one is concerned about a straight and flush draw being on the board? Isnt any smallish continuation bet pricing them into call for sure? Then if they call, you still have no information?
Posted Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:34 pm GMT by Ensano
| Dave B wrote: | | Isnt any smallish continuation bet pricing them into call for sure? Then if they call, you still have no information? |
1/3 isn't a smallish bet... it'd price them out for either draw... bet out 2500
if they call.. reevaluate on the turn... check behind if a draw completes... fire out another bet if a K or Q peel off... do your best to get a cheap SD...
might I asked why you raised then, if you're just going to give up on the flop when you're checked to AND you hit TPGK?
if he goes over the top or comes back at you you can still always fold.. 8k would still be an ok stack...
Posted Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:49 pm GMT by wEbMaStEr
Pot sized bet.
Watch the 3rd suited card come on turn, check, make a crying call of his bet for all your chips.
See you are ahead but he has A6 and needs a fourth suited card or an Ace to crush you.
Kick the cat when it hits.
That's what I'd do anyway.
Posted Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:54 am GMT by Dave B
If I bet less than pot, both a straight or a flush draw is priced in.
4000 in the pot, I bet 1300, there is now 5300 in the pot and they need to call 1300 to win 5300. They are getting over 4:1 to call and are at most a 2:1 dog.
Posted Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:04 am GMT by crack
Only with two cards to come. For all they know you are going to bet twice. I thnk a pot sized bet here is too much and 1/3 too low. A check is too weak.
Which is why I say 1/2 to 2/3 of the pot. You are not giving them the odds to draw with one card to come. I think your real problem here is you have no clue about the player so don't know what sort of hands he is playing. Bet and see what he does, the pot most of the time will be there for the taking.
Posted Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:47 am GMT by Dave B
The reason I posted this is that I am good enough to consistantly get deep in big (field) multiplayer tournaments. But I usually make one key mistake or suffer one major suckout and get knocked out before getting into any serious money.
I clearly made a mistake her. My thinking, he has a certain range of hands to call from the small blind. Good enough to call, but not good enough to reraise. With the flop of KJ2 and 2 suited, holding KQ, I dont really see many hands that have me beat at this point. Maybe just KJ suited, 22 or slowplaying AA.
I wanted to make a pot sized bet, but if he called that, there was 12k in the pot and I only have 7k left. So I am pretty much pot committed unless an A spades comes and fills every draw or hand that I fear.
So I pushed, hoping to just take down the pot. He called w/ a set of Js. Now that I reflect upon that, I didnt give JJ enough credit. Just call and see if the flop comes down 10 high, flop a set, or maybe just check down vs a lower pair w/ overcards.
I commit most of my funds to cash games. I do well in smaller multis, but I really dont want to consistantly drop $100+ on buyins for 50-100 person multis. It seems that anything lower than that and you have to work through 300-1000 people. Also, just getting ITM on smaller ones is worthless, since I am playing cash games on the other table whose average pot is bigger than all but the top 20 in smaller multis.
Then again, it is frustrating to spend 3 hours only to get nothing to show for it. This is why I only pay one a month and usually end up frustrated.
Posted Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:18 am GMT by MrDarling
I'm saying the following with very little MTT or even cash success.
But IMO pushing is probably the worse of all options.
In all honesty I probably bet half the pot and call the c/r AI. Though the right move is probably folding to the c/r or checking the turn if called. Without reads, bearing in mind villain also doesn't have reads on us he will have to be a real maniac to assume that
A. That flop missed us.
and B. That we are good enough to fold TPTK.
I think thats the right move. But like I stated, I am a real nit and my post flop play is weak.
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