AJ, KJ, QJ offsuit early position |
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Posted Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:09 pm GMT by Phil Gordon AA
What should you do with AJ, KJ, QJ offsuit in early position, (UTG, UTG +1)
9-handed No limit hold'em cash game
I would probably call with AJ, KJ, and QJ suited. Even though there is only a 4% difference between offsuit and suited, AJ suited, KJ suited and QJ suited are much better hands to see a flop with because of the chances of flopping a big draw.
But what about AJ, KJ, and QJ offsuit?
I was reading a post in which Diamond Cutter said you should fold AJ offsuit in a full game in EP
What are your thoughts?
I know it depends on the type of players your playing against but in an average game with average stacks what would you guys do?
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Posted Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:22 pm GMT by Ensano
in an average game against average players I fold all of those in EP...
in EP I try to play hands I'm pretty much going to raise with... there are exceptions to this but in general I try not to play hands that are most likely to be dominated when I'm reraised...
Posted Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:33 pm GMT by Phil Gordon AA
Even the suited ones you'd fold?
I asked my brother and he said the same thing.
I mean I play pretty tight but this is interesting, thanks
Posted Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:51 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Usually limp with suited AJ, KJ, QJ (and probably most other suited broadway cards except maybe KTs), and hope for a cheap flop (calling a small raise behind you is usually fine). With these hands, though, you're NOT hoping to flop one pair; you're hoping to flop a big hand like two pair, a straight, a flush, or a draw to a straight or flush. That 4% advantage factors in all 5 community cards; what it does not factor in is the implied odds behind big draws and the fact that you can play your hand that much more strongly.
Offsuit as I said I tend to fold, simply because cutting out the flush outs greatly diminishes the potential of these hands, and you're often put in that much tougher of a situation after the flop.
Posted Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:52 pm GMT by supafrey
I'm pretty comfy post flop. I limp with or raise each of these.
Posted Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:07 pm GMT by Phil Gordon AA
Diamond cutter said:
"With these hands, though, you're NOT hoping to flop one pair; you're hoping to flop a big hand like two pair, a straight, a flush, or a draw to a straight or flush."
I can't agree more witht this statement. The same quote applies to suited connectors so in a sense you're playing hands like KJ suited as a suited connector, not just for the jack or king.
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Posted Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:23 pm GMT by supafrey
I'm pretty comfy post flop, and I'm willing to bet or raise if I just flop a pair.
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