Marginal schmarginal. Lo stakes live hand. |
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Posted Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:03 pm GMT by tame_deuces
In our weekly livegame, which is like a...er...20NL game or something, some good players though. We're playing NL cash for the first time, UTG in this hand is a FL convert who now plays quite abit of 6-max NL online, ok player. Not esp tight, raises speculative hands and the strong ones equally, huge aggro postflop. Me and this player def. have an history of making moves on eachother, I have abit a history of spewing by floating OOP and folding the turn so far in the game.
Comment on all streets if you want too.
6-handed
UTG got 120~BB, I cover.
I'm in the BB with: J 9
UTG raises 4x, folds to me, I call.
Flop is A T 8 (pot is 8.5BB)
I check, UTG bets 8BB. Potbetting is unusual for this opponent, but I have little clue as to what it means at this point.
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Posted Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:15 pm GMT by Phil14312
I hate these spots OOP against players like you describe...either make a big raise (as the last money I'd put into pot) or better, fold. If pot-bets are unusual, why? Usually means a good hand.
Posted Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:41 pm GMT by jeffonline
This is a chase I don’t want to make again, open-end strait flush draw 15 outs to what, disaster. I played this hand Tuesday night in a live game, I call and hit my flush on the turn, was hoping for the straight because I was only a J high flush and I suspected he may be higher suited.. I was out of position bet out only to have him come over the top for all his chips, I was pot committed so I called he showed the K. I am thinking of folding but if he villain bluffs or c/bets the flops this amount I am going to seek information and re-raise this to 16BB and fold to any resistance.
Posted Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:56 pm GMT by Jauron
You could check raise, pretty big (say to 30BB total) and if called plan to push a lot of turns.
You could just call, and plan to lead out on the turn regardless forcing him to a decision.
Fold it.
I'm curious if he'd likely play a made flush this strong, if not I like option #1 the best. If you aren't sure if he could or not you could modify #1 with a mini raise and then give up if called and you don't improve.
Honestly against an unknown I'm probably going to either fold or check raise them here, and if I check raise them we're going to get lots of chips in the middle.
Posted Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:37 am GMT by Phil14312
We're OOP with what may be the worst hand and the worst draw is the problem. I don't think we can count on having 15 outs here. In position, I am definately playing, OOP my vote is fold.
Posted Fri Feb 23, 2007 4:13 am GMT by snoogins47
The two logical things a pot bet would tend to mean are obviously a)Hand he thinks is best, no spade... or b)Some sort of hand with a bigger spade (KsKx, etc)
Sucks to being OOP, but also, sucks to these hands in relatively deepish stacked NL. This hand would be easy as pie to play if you had <40BB, or if we were playing a real game like Fixed Limit. Given the stack sizes, it sucks: we might as well put this hand right under the term 'Reverse Implied Odds' in the poker lexicon. Given even more than this fella is reasonable, but aggressive, and your a history of fighting back and forth....well we're never going to know where we stand very well in this hand. Even when we hit and pull ahead, the times we get action are times that he's got a decent-to-big redraw. Buh-bye, hero.
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