Are we ever going to change MTT structure? |
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Posted Fri Feb 23, 2007 6:16 pm GMT by MrDarling
Having watched loads of big MTT on TV and the net, it seems that once it down to the FT it is usually Lotto. Sure, you can still few pot with aggressiveness and identifying weakness, but generally its AI PF and let the card do their thing. Seems like there is very little poker going on on FT.
Thought?
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Posted Fri Feb 23, 2007 7:00 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
The WSOP Main Event still has a decent amount of play at the FT.
Problem is, all-in preflop hand after hand is what does well on TV. And it also keeps the tournaments from running too long online, and it's what everyone has (grudgingly or not) gotten used to.
Posted Fri Feb 23, 2007 7:09 pm GMT by Ensano
can't remember where (I think it was in the deeb interview) but he said that once it got donw to 90 people they should reset the stacks and set the blinds at a certain amount and keep them there...
now that would be something to see...
Posted Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:15 am GMT by exit music
I know that the WPT changes the blinds lower for the final table to encourage more play.
Posted Sat Feb 24, 2007 5:52 am GMT by Jernej Zorec
isnt WPT FT like the suxor when it comes to blinds?
i'd almost say they shorten levels for FT
Posted Sun Feb 25, 2007 3:54 am GMT by snoogins47
| Ensano wrote: | can't remember where (I think it was in the deeb interview) but he said that once it got donw to 90 people they should reset the stacks and set the blinds at a certain amount and keep them there...
now that would be something to see... |
Oh yeah, that'd be something all right, watching all the big stacks heading to the bar to play video poker and watching all the short stacks fold AA face up over and over again. And then if they really set the levels to X and never raised after the cutoff, the friggin thing would take eighty billion hours. At least the donkeys would lose more often though.
Really, I don't think the large blinds push-fest is inherently a bad thing. There's plenty of people who either don't adjust nearly well enough/quickly enough, or who grossly misplay the later portions because they're playing for more money than they've ever smelled before.. and really, unless the blinds stay very low, many plays are still quite automatic, and it's very crapshootesque anyway: with only like 5bbs, it becomes a 'be first in and push' game. With like 15-20, the crapshootness just turns into "I hope I'm not re-pushing into a monster" and "I hope he doesn't out-flop me since I'm going to be all-in on every flop anyway." 40-50 is unheard of in the late stages of a 'net tournament, and the chips tend to still get all in on the flop anyway. There's still very little subtlety or magic at that level, it just delays some of the automatic plays and guessing games by a bet or two.
I think that a change to drastically impact the way tournaments are played would have to be so monumental that all the negatives would massively outweigh the positives. Nobody wants to play a 120 hour tournament, even if it makes the very very best player now only a 400:1 dog to win, as opposed to 700:1. Not to mention, the operating costs go up as the length goes up, so even though the best players might have more of an edge in the longer format, some of it is going to be eaten by rake, and opportunity cost, not to mention the fact that making the fishie's chances worse and worse tends to make the fields tougher.
I know all too well the frustrations of playing for 6 hours and then finding AJ, somebody pushes with 92, you call, he spikes a 9, and you end up making $0.12/hr, but if you're looking for intricate turn/river play where the fish get completely annihilated, just go on over to the no-cap NL ring tables.
Posted Sun Feb 25, 2007 2:19 pm GMT by golddog
Don't forget that the televised tournaments are also showing a percentage of the hands in play.
So I thnk you're right, it's largely AI/huge raise, fold around, and we get to see the occasional hand with action.
I don't see having to change gears as a bad thing. Maybe in a weird way it determines a better all-around player. Must have a tight, structured game early when donkeys are calling with 92o; intricate play middle to build/maintain a competitive stack; and the super-aggressive aspect late.
Posted Mon Apr 09, 2007 2:08 pm GMT by dave374000
I find Poker Stars' MTT blind structures like this.
First hour, they're ok.
But by the 90 minute point, it's essentially a lottery.
That's why I prefer Ultimate Bet's MTT blind structure.
It gives you more time to actually play poker - and you can withstand a wave of cold cards.
Posted Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:59 pm GMT by Geno
The huge tourney in FT'd in in 2005 had reduced blinds when we hit the FT because the BB was worth about 25% of the average stack! It worked well and the FT went for a couple of hours instead of the 10mins it would have been.
I don't think I agree with any reseting short of the FT personally.
Posted Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:00 pm GMT by MrDarling
FT's? fulltilt?
Anyway, I don't think anyone really want to see reseting of chips count on FT.
All I'm talking about is making the levels longer towards the end of the game.
Posted Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:06 pm GMT by Geno
FT = final table
Posted Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:15 pm GMT by MrDarling
Doh , I know that FT = final table
but what the hell does that mean | Geno wrote: | | The huge tourney in FT'd . |
Posted Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:34 pm GMT by Jernej Zorec
that was a brag post on Geno's part :D
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