Reraising w/ KK from bb, flop comes A-high |
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Posted Sun Feb 25, 2007 3:10 pm GMT by NCoE
In SHNL, MP raises 3xbb pre and the button calls. From the bb you raise to
8xbb and utg, MP and button calls.
Do you always cb a flop like As6s7c and if you do, how big of a bet?
Assume micro stakes and stacks of 100bbs.
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Posted Sun Feb 25, 2007 3:51 pm GMT by Skribbles
Bet 3/4 pot. If he calls or raises you can be pretty sure you are beat. Only reason you could fire again is if you think you can make him lay down his pair. And since you said its micro stakes, people rarely fold a pair of aces.
Posted Sun Feb 25, 2007 6:58 pm GMT by aaronw
Raise more PF.
Sometimes I bet here.
Sometimes I check / call flop. I think betting folds out most worse hands and only gets called by better hands, thus there really isn't any value.
That being said, I like a bet here, because I think checking puts us in an awkward position here.
So I agree with skribbles.
Posted Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:32 am GMT by MrDarling
its actually a hard hand to play in micro levels.
I bet and fold to resistance. if called, I'll either block bet or check evaluate.
You can almost never push a weak A away from a pot.
often you'd be called by almost any pocket pair. or any pair at all.
(last night in a S&G I get K2 in the BB few limpers. flop come K5x I bet the pot - one caller. we check the turn, the river is a 2 and completes a back door flush. I value bet and he calls with A5)
Posted Mon Feb 26, 2007 7:08 am GMT by NCoE
| Skribbles wrote: | | Bet 3/4 pot. If he calls or raises you can be pretty sure you are beat. |
You noticed I'm against three people here, right? And they all payed 8bbs to see the flop. Which means 3/4 of the pot is about 24bbs.
To mee that sounds like alot of $$ to put in against three people with an overcard on the board.
| aaronw wrote: |
Sometimes I check / call flop. I think betting folds out most worse hands and only gets called by better hands, thus there really isn't any value.
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There's like 32bbs in the pot, I'd say that's value.
I don't like calling here oop since I'll have no idea whether I'm being bluffed or value betted on later streets and the pot is bound to get big.
| aaronw wrote: |
That being said, I like a bet here, because I think checking puts us in an awkward position here.
So I agree with skribbles.
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Yeah, do you agree with him about the size of the bet as well?
| MrDarling wrote: |
I bet and fold to resistance. if called, I'll either block bet or check evaluate.
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How much do you bet?
Posted Mon Feb 26, 2007 7:42 am GMT by MrDarling
This really depend on the stakes. in low stake min bet is enough to find out is someone has an A. Though I never min bet.
I'd probably put half a pot bet here and cringe if called.
Posted Mon Feb 26, 2007 7:52 am GMT by NCoE
This would be micro stakes, as I said in the OP 
I don't think a 1/32 pot bet will get any folds here but I do like a 1/2 pot bet.
Posted Mon Feb 26, 2007 10:14 am GMT by aaronw
I would say that at this level we get the same info out of a 1/2 pot size bet as a 3/4 pot size bet. So I would probably prefer betting closer to 1/2 pot size bet because you will find out where you are at in the hand cheaper.
Posted Mon Feb 26, 2007 10:44 am GMT by tame_deuces
Actually at micro stakes you'd also be called often if your op had a draw on a board of two spade and 67, even backdoor draws might call you...so shutting down on the turn because you are called is is pretty bad.
Posted Mon Feb 26, 2007 10:52 am GMT by UrAteUp
Skribbles is giving you advice not to take down the pot...but to find out where exactly you stand in this hand. 3/4 of a pot should tell you exactly where you stand.
Posted Mon Feb 26, 2007 11:09 am GMT by MrDarling
| NCoE wrote: | This would be micro stakes, as I said in the OP
I don't think a 1/3 pot bet will get any folds here but I do like a 1/2 pot bet. |
I used to think the same and be very happy when people fold. I used to be proud of my stats saying I won most of my pots without Sd.
This is Wrong.
in this hand, you do not want a worse hand to fold, and in micro levels, almost nothing you will do will make a better hand fold (ie most players married a weak a here).
So you bet.
If you get called, you can check and see what happens. a weaker A normally wont bet. If they do, you can re-evaluate taking into consideration the player. sometimes I'll call a river bet, sometimes I fold.
i need the right odds and the right 'feeling' to make a crying call. Often I'm wrong. So I try to make them when the bet is small enough
Posted Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:07 pm GMT by NCoE
| UrAteUp wrote: | | Skribbles is giving you advice not to take down the pot...but to find out where exactly you stand in this hand. 3/4 of a pot should tell you exactly where you stand. |
Yeah, but it will be very expensive. And betting 3/4 wil usually take down the pot unless I'm beat.
| MrDarling wrote: | | NCoE wrote: |
This would be micro stakes, as I said in the OP
I don't think a 1/3 pot bet will get any folds here but I do like a 1/2 pot bet.
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I used to think the same and be very happy when people fold. I used to be proud of my stats saying I won most of my pots without Sd.
This is Wrong.
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I wrote 1/32 pot bet, not 1/3. You said a min bet could work and I disagreed. Pocket deuces shouldn't fold to that bet.
Now I don't want worse hands to fold, but I rather they fold than see the turn for free. I like your line with the bet and check on turn. At these levels people might call here with some pps and of c draws as tame said, and sometimes these hands make weak bets on turn if you check to them.
So I like check/calling a not to big of a bet on turn. If they bet pot I'll lay it down w/o a specific read. I'll catch the floaters when I have aces instead 
Posted Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:11 pm GMT by Jauron
I bet 3/4, but mostly because thats pretty standard for me to bet anyways. I'd figure 1/2 is going to look weak and I need to try and get a weak ace to fold.
I think preflop raise was a little weak btw.
Posted Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:57 pm GMT by MrDarling
I though 1/32 was a typo.
However, sit long enough on the micro levels and you will see people call big PF raise then fold to a min bet on the flop.
People over value QK - KT...
In any case, I'm not advocating min bet. I usually bet 1/2 - 3/4 on the flop , then 1/3 - 3/4 turn and river.
Posted Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:32 pm GMT by thefranchise
You definitely lead the way on the flop by betting, just to give you an idea of where you stand in the hand. Checking, allows other people (obviously) to bet, and in this hand example: I would feel behind from there on out.
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