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Posted Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:36 pm GMT by jimmer
Have a look at this.
It's a (wait for it)....$1 freezeout torny. There are 152 entrants, top 10 get paid. I've already decided before hand, that I'm going to play tight until the last 20 then push to double up a few times. I was looking to go very deep as it was only $46 for first, therefore I wasn't going to be happy unless i reached the last three players.
So we all start with 2000, I've gradually built my stack to 4774. Theres 60 players left so i guess i'm about average stacked.
Then this happened.
- Geeza_Peek sitting in seat 1 with $4580.69
- geminis sitting in seat 2 with $2530.00
- foxgod sitting in seat 3 with $5760.00
- raybee sitting in seat 4 with $4142.50
- Bebbovic sitting in seat 5 with $7765.85 Dealer
- BREEZIE sitting in seat 6 with $6818.40
- jbdb3 sitting in seat 7 with $4774.37
- javgolf sitting in seat 8 with $1380.00
- ClassyClare sitting in seat 9 with $5254.98
- archsaddler sitting in seat 10 with $2833.76
BREEZIE posted the small blind - $100.00
jbdb3 posted the big blind - $200.00
** Dealing card to jbdb3: Ace of Hearts, Jack of Spades
javgolf folded
ClassyClare folded
archsaddler folded
Geeza_Peek folded
geminis folded
foxgod folded
raybee called - $200.00
Bebbovic folded
BREEZIE folded
jbdb3 bet - $800.00
raybee called - $800.00
** Dealing the flop: Ace of Diamonds, 5 of Spades, 4 of Hearts
jbdb3 bet - $850.00
raybee went all-in - $3342.50
jbdb3 called - $3342.50
raybee shows: 9 of Hearts, Ace of Spades
** Dealing the turn: 9 of Spades
** Dealing the river: Queen of Clubs
raybee wins $8385.00 from the main pot
Now, I'm pretty happy with the way i played the hand. I recon that after the flop i'm about 80%-90% favorite. (Although I'm happy if you wish to comment on this aswell).
However my issue is; I'm therefore left with around 750 chips.
I know this can't be helped, but was my call justified? (knowing i'd be left with so little?)
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Posted Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:50 pm GMT by Skribbles
I don't like the raise from the SB with AJ but that is debatable. As for calling the push, I wouldn't be worried about being outkicked as he open limped from the CO but the two pair or set is a definite possibility. Even though you feel you may be ahead here I prefer not to risk my tourny on a marginal hand.
Posted Tue Feb 27, 2007 5:17 pm GMT by jimmer
hey, that was a quick reply!
| Skribbles wrote: | | I don't like the raise from the SB with AJ. |
I was the BB. would your opinion be the same for the BB?
| Skribbles wrote: | | Even though you feel you may be ahead here I prefer not to risk my tourny on a marginal hand |
Good point. But is this a marginal hand? I mean on face value it is. But I raised preflop after his limp, so I'm thinking he doesn't have A4 or A5. Yes he could of had trips i suppose, but....i dunno.....yeah you could be right. I'm totally undecided either way on this point.
Posted Tue Feb 27, 2007 5:47 pm GMT by Skribbles
| jimmer wrote: | hey, that was a quick reply!
| Skribbles wrote: | | I don't like the raise from the SB with AJ. |
I was the BB. would your opinion be the same for the BB?
| Skribbles wrote: | | Even though you feel you may be ahead here I prefer not to risk my tourny on a marginal hand |
Good point. But is this a marginal hand? I mean on face value it is. But I raised preflop after his limp, so I'm thinking he doesn't have A4 or A5. Yes he could of had trips i suppose, but....i dunno.....yeah you could be right. I'm totally undecided either way on this point. |
AJ isn't a hand I want to be playing out of position. Your raise puts 1/5 of your stack in the pot. If you miss the flop are you going to c-bet? If you are it will cost you close to half your stack.
I'd put this hand in the grey area. If you had a deeper stack then I don't mind the raise as you would have some wiggle room to figure out where you are at without going broke.
I would think that in this situation you are ahead more often then not as he would have most likely raised if he had a stronger ace. The only question is did he call off most of his stack with A5, A4 or 55, 44.
So looking back on it you played it well since you got a good flop. I guess the only thing I don't like with this is if you miss the flop you are in a very tough position. C-bet leaves you short stacked if he plays back and checking to him basically gives up the pot and 1/5 of your stack.
Hope my rambling make sense!
Posted Tue Feb 27, 2007 8:31 pm GMT by exit music
I was faced with a somewhat similar situation in a 9-man SNG, we were right on the bubble and I was dealt AJs
POKERSTARS GAME #8654366773: TOURNAMENT #44062354, $6.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL VI (100/200) - 2007/02/27 - 15:36:07 (ET)
Table '44062354 1' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: FLCL (1860 in chips)
Seat 4: Dragons35 (5330 in chips)
Seat 8: astrodg (5210 in chips)
Seat 9: Jhawknation (1100 in chips)
Jhawknation: posts small blind 100
FLCL: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to astrodg  
Dragons35: raises 200 to 400
astrodg: calls 400
Jhawknation: folds
FLCL: folds
*** FLOP ***   
Dragons35: bets 600
astrodg: raises 600 to 1200
Dragons35: raises 3730 to 4930 and is all-in
astrodg: folds
Dragons35 collected 3500 from pot
Dragons35: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3500 | Rake 0
Board
Seat 1: FLCL (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Dragons35 collected (3500)
Seat 8: astrodg (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: Jhawknation (small blind) folded before Flop
And I really don't know how I played the hand, his re-push could mean anything from KK, AK-A9, I was beating about half the hands he could have, but it was on teh bubble and I still had 2nd place chips after my re-raise so I didn't mind folding. I did have position so you might argue that I just call on teh flop, but I'm pretty sure he'd have pushed on the turn.
Posted Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:58 am GMT by jimmer
| Skribbles wrote: | | Hope my rambling make sense! |
Yes, thanks.
However, can I ask you another question which slightly side-tracks from the original?
You suggested AJ isn't a hand you want to play out of position. Therefore I'm guessing you would therefore just check preflop? The flop then falls A54. The pot is $500.
I'm guessing you would then lead with a pot-sized bet???????
Looking at the way raybee played, he would of probably re-raised? Now assuming it's a realistic raise (and not an all-in), the question I have is this; Raybee with his raise is asking the question; "Do I have an ace?". I would probably call and would therefore be pot committed on the turn anyway.
You've suggested AJ isn't a brilliant hand, but it seems to me I'm pretty doomed/committed to the pot anyway. The question i have to you is; How would you see this hand played-out?
Posted Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:39 pm GMT by Skribbles
Yes I would just check it pre-flop with these stack sizes. This is a tough situation anyway you look at it. Any play you make here is going to commit you to the pot.
Had I limped pre-flop and hit this board I probably would have check/called the flop. Depending on the turn card I would still probably check to him and make my decision to push or fold there.
This is the problem with online tournys... stacks are always so short that pretty much every hand you play commits all your chips.
Anyone else with some insight into this hand?
Posted Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:32 am GMT by jimmer
Thanks for your comments scribbles. You have opened my eyes, I think I was being a little narrow minded.
The problem I still have is letting a limper in cheaply. I’m in a bad position after the flop and would therefore like to win it pre-flop. IMO his preflop call was poor, but hey, I’m well aware that at this level, people like to play Ace-junk. As long as this is the case, he actually could of had Ace 4 or 5 i suppose.
Oh well, I guess you learn something new everyday!
Thanks again,
Jimmer
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