Decent Call or am I a Donktastic Luckbox? |
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Posted Thu Mar 01, 2007 2:30 pm GMT by cdjos
Situation:
Getting close to the bubble in the nightly 4.5K guaranteed on Bodog. Blinds are 600/1200 w/50 antes. I'm in the big blind w/94d.
Folded around to the button who raises to 3200.
Small blind folds.
I have ~25K in chips to villain's ~20K.
The raise looks a little suspicious, like a half-hearted blind steal attempt. I have to add 2000 to see a flop of ~7.5K. Is it worth it?
If I'm right about the half hearted steal attempt, I could possibly move him off the hand after the flop anyway.
I call....flop is 4 4 9.  Sweet.
I call his flop, turn and 'all in' on the river bets.
Needless to say he didn't see my hand coming. I was, however, dead wrong about the steal attempt as he had AKh and ended up with a flush.
So was it a good play? or am I going to have to add a title under my name?
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Posted Thu Mar 01, 2007 3:07 pm GMT by mackkie
Ive been late in tournies and think the button is full of crap with his 3x bb raise with the blinds/antes so damn high.
Ive pushed back with A9 once only to be called by KK Needless to say i hit my A 
As for your call, its all about the read on him. If hes raising every other time hes on the botton, then see a flop if you think you can outplay him. If hes folded the last 7 times on the button, then id lay it down.
Posted Thu Mar 01, 2007 3:09 pm GMT by vyni
Gotta love flops like that
His raise from the button was a touch weak but pretty standard for his position, so he could be holding pretty much anything. We need a flop to even start to speculate what he holds. Calling the 2k in to see the flop here isn't a bad with pretty much any medium hand. Is 94 suited worthy... no. I'ld have had to let him take the blinds with this one. You got pretty damn lucky here lol.
Where was the quote originally from, of poker being about making the wrong call at the right time? Was it in Cincinnati Kid?
Posted Thu Mar 01, 2007 4:20 pm GMT by LCFC17
hehe. lovely flop.
If you thought it was a steal attempt I guess it was worth a call but you would of probably ended up floding if you hadnt got such a great flop.
Earliar today I called a minimal bet with 6 2 off suit (hadnt had a hand in ages) and hit trip 2s on the flop and managed to double up  I did end up against someone trying to bluff the pot though so amde it pretty easy.
Posted Thu Mar 01, 2007 5:36 pm GMT by Skribbles
Don't like the call.
If you think he is on a steal, why not re-raise? Odds are that even if he is stealing he has a better hand than you. You'll rarely get a flop like this so unless you plan on bluffing I don't like it.
Posted Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:10 pm GMT by Miss_J
| Skribbles wrote: | Don't like the call.
If you think he is on a steal, why not re-raise? Odds are that even if he is stealing he has a better hand than you. You'll rarely get a flop like this so unless you plan on bluffing I don't like it. |
nice. totally agree here.
Posted Thu Mar 01, 2007 10:23 pm GMT by Jauron
| Skribbles wrote: | Don't like the call.
If you think he is on a steal, why not re-raise? Odds are that even if he is stealing he has a better hand than you. You'll rarely get a flop like this so unless you plan on bluffing I don't like it. |
He's gotta move all in IMO if he's going to reraise. Of the two choices I guess we are safer by calling and betting most flops we can at least fold or give up if called.
Overall though I don't like the play with 9,4 it such a bad hand I'd rather just fold it OOP.
Posted Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:04 pm GMT by Ryan231
I don't like the call, if the blinds were lower in comparason to our stack size then I might reraise but just calling here seems a bit rough. The question you must ask yourself is are you really willing to put a large chunk of your stack on the line at this point in the tournament with 94 out of position? You got a lucky flop and cleaned him out but in reality this isn't going to happen very often and your most likely either going to A) bet the flop and potentially get raised, then you must fold, B) check then fold the flop or C) check call the flop and then try to bluff the turn and potentially a big chunk of your stack.
Posted Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:43 pm GMT by Casey ATB
| vyni wrote: | Gotta love flops like that
Where was the quote originally from, of poker being about making the wrong call at the right time? Was it in Cincinnati Kid? |
Yup… Lancey said that to The Kid, after gutting him with a straight flush in 5-card stud. He said, "That's what it's all about, making the wrong move at the right time." I think The Kid had aces full, but I'm not sure.
The book went on beyond where the movie finished.
Posted Fri Mar 02, 2007 12:51 am GMT by General Sal
Yeah, this is kind of a tough predicky... let's see...
near the bubble... if everyone's playing standard "bubble tactics" then they should be tightening up. (Yeah, there's that dumb argument for dumping pocket aces during the bubble. This really should've been the clue you've been looking for.
Now that I think about it, I guess you kind of are donkey calling here... he's playing better cards than you, and you're calling off your chips. (I'm not here to make fun or light of you, I'm just calling it as I think I see it.) He's the actual idiot though... he didn't wanna believe you actually had a made hand! I don't know how much he bet on the flop, but assuming he continuation betted for 1/2 to full pot, that could be anywhere from $3500 to $7000! If he bet the pot on the flop, well he should feel pretty pot committed.
I think you're call in this spot is fine. Re-raising is IMO a really risky play on the bubble. He'll probably call with AK, unless of course the buyin is more than $100. $5 buyin? Sure, he'll call. You were getting more than 2:1 on your money, I believe actually 3:1. It should be fine.
I hope you got past the bubble.
Posted Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:05 am GMT by cdjos
| General Sal wrote: | | Now that I think about it, I guess you kind of are donkey calling here... he's playing better cards than you, and you're calling off your chips. (I'm not here to make fun or light of you, I'm just calling it as I think I see it.) |
No worries....no doubt it's a bit of a donkey call. I was only going to contribute 2K more chips unless I got a piece of the flop....then probably a small stab. I definitely wasn't going to re-raise as I do have some appreciation as to how weak of a hand I'm holding.
| General Sal wrote: | | I don't know how much he bet on the flop, but assuming he continuation betted for 1/2 to full pot, that could be anywhere from $3500 to $7000! |
He led out for 5K after the flop and turn. Then pushed the river with his flush. I forget if he hit it on the turn or river though.
| General Sal wrote: | | I hope you got past the bubble. |
Busted out in 5th as the eventual winner called my blind stealing raise (KJs) with A6o and won.
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