The "All In" preflop technique |
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Posted Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:08 pm GMT by Alaskadude
Is it just me or has anyone else noticed this?
Ever since Frist's folly and the locking out of U.S. players by several poker sites I have noticed that there seems to be a lot more idiots using the preflop all-in method. Invariably, it's early in the tourney and the only money in the pot is the blinds.
Every time I see some moron betting $1,350 into a $45 pot I have to laugh. Usually I will just type in a quick "LMAO", fold and go on to the next hand. Occasionally the moron will ask me what's so funny and in rare cases, even though I know it's stupid of me to educate the morons, I just cannot help myself and I make some sort of comment. They don't listen of course and eventually they get called and are gone which is what we all know will happen most of the time.
My question is this. Have any of the rest of you noticed an increase in these types of players lately? It might just be that I'm getting lucky and entering the tourneys that have lots of these idiots in them but I think that with fewer poker sites available that they are being inadvertantly concentrated into the few sites left open to U.S. players. Which is it?
Either way, I'm seeing it in almost every tourney I enter.
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Posted Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:17 pm GMT by exit music
I am one of these players
sometimes
Posted Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:21 pm GMT by MrDarling
I don't see it more then before, just as often.
In low levels there are 2 types of bad players. Those who over push with a monster and those who bluff with it. Which often make it harder to know how to act. I almost never say anything though.
The other day someone bust me out of a S&G. He went AI in the first few levels, I called with my Q's and he spiked another 2 to complete a set. All I did is type "Excellent play" and he acted surprise.
Also, I played HU against a player that decided to push a lot after I took a big pot away from him. He kept pushing, and I kept waiting. Until I got my hand and bust him.
accidently, I just show the WOSP final table when paul dot com won. In the HU Dewey kept going AI until Paul decided to call (like 10 hands in a row). The commentator thought it was an excellent play, but I found it weird. Unless of course they chose to show ONLY the hand Dewey pushed with.
Posted Tue Mar 13, 2007 4:23 pm GMT by Alaskadude
| exit music wrote: | I am one of these players
sometimes |
What is sometimes? Six or seven preflop all in's during the first level? More than that? Less than that?
That's not the point of this post though. Just trying to find out if anyone else has noticed an increase in this type of play.
Posted Tue Mar 13, 2007 4:30 pm GMT by Muck
I can understand these kind of pushes if your playing a 2000 entrant freeroll while also playing a cash game or two.
In those situations you don't care if you bust out and you're only going to focus/put some effort in if you double up a couple of times and have a realistic chance at the money.
I see a lot more of this push or fold stuff from mini stacks in cash games. E.g. $10NL, someone sits down with $1-2 and just pushes or folds.
Posted Tue Mar 13, 2007 5:24 pm GMT by Alaskadude
I've been playing a lot of one table sit and go's lately and that's where they've been popping up.
I agree about the freerolls which is precisely why I avoid them like the plague. Waste of what little playing time I have.
Posted Tue Mar 13, 2007 5:35 pm GMT by MrDarling
On the site I play, I hardly ever see them on the low level S&G.
I play mainly $5 and now few $10 (6, 9 and 18 players S&G) those game almost always get to the first break. Even the 6 players one.
So I guess it might be site related 
Posted Tue Mar 13, 2007 5:56 pm GMT by vyni
It's always been frequent in the lower buyin sngs. mtts are worse, but I kind of like it. First few levels of the tourney, if you catch a monster you can grossly inflate your bets and get a few callers. lol. A few nights ago I caught aces from mid on the second hand: 2 people pushed before action even got to me, and another caller behind me. You just have to love that.
Turns frustrating when they suck out with their gutshots and such, but overall it makes it real easy to establish an early chip lead if the cards cooperate. Too many are pushing/calling with straight/flush draws. If you don't catch the cards to rob em, well you're often going on against donk chip leaders. Only a matter of time.
Posted Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:35 pm GMT by Alaskadude
Well, maybe it's just me then. I might just be noticing it because I'm looking for the all-in preflop bettors now.
Irregardless of the reason, I still think it's insane to bet all your chips into an unraised pot preflop to win 45 chips.
I guess I'm more the Dan Harrington style player than the Gus Hansen type.
Posted Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:05 pm GMT by exit music
I wasn't exactly serious, although once the blinds = 10% of my stack I don't usually feel bad about pushing in.
Posted Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:35 pm GMT by jeffonline
I was playing a S&G the other night stage 1 late position player went all-in after a few limpers, I was in the BB with AA so i follewed, early position player who limped followed. EP had 22 late had AK and me with AA. I just goes to show what cards some will go all-in or call with. 22 hit trips on the flop and I did not improve. For me it would have to be AA or KK to call and I would not bet all-in into an empty or nearly empty pot.
Posted Tue Mar 13, 2007 11:05 pm GMT by Alaskadude
| exit music wrote: | | I wasn't exactly serious, although once the blinds = 10% of my stack I don't usually feel bad about pushing in. |
Whew! I've read many of your posts and that earlier comment didn't seem like you but I guess you never know.
Agreed about the 10% deal though.
Posted Wed Mar 14, 2007 12:17 am GMT by efram
I've done it when I'm playing a freeroll and found I don't have time to sit and finish.
I then push push push until all my chips are gone.
Often making a comment like "chip dump time" before hand to give those a clue they may want to call.
Funny, one time I did this with Q4o and got called by AK, KK, JJ and 1010.
I sucked out and runner runner'd a wheel.
supremely donktastic.
Posted Sat Mar 17, 2007 1:15 pm GMT by mortaleclipse
Of course like everyone else has said this play is usually done at lower limits but it is done at all limits as well. I have seen this play done from under the gun at the 2/4NL and dude pushed for 400 dollars. WTF under the gun, could this guy really playing aces like this. It gets to me and I have ace/king on the BB. He types in 3/3, I need to get going. So i said wtf ever and called and after the showdown he showed ace/2o. Donks are everywere.
Posted Sat Mar 17, 2007 1:41 pm GMT by Geno
What people don't realise when they are new is that betting 30xBB with any hand is folly unless you are playing with a bunch of maniacs. Until people have played for some time they will not understand this so let them do what they like and just hope it happens when you are holding the aces.
Posted Sat Mar 17, 2007 8:06 pm GMT by Fat Tony
I've done this occasionally when I've been dealt a monster and I've thought that I can get at least one caller due to multiple maniacs sitting at my table. It's not technically a great move and i'm not defending it as such, but if you have a monster and think you can get at least one caller, why not try it once in awhile?
I certainly don't recommend making this one of your go-to moves or anything because you need multiple factors in your favor in order for it to be worth the risk.
Posted Sat Mar 17, 2007 8:27 pm GMT by raisebot
Doesn't anyone here at all care about building an image at the game they're sitting in?
Example- you're about to sit in a 2/4 NL game with a bunch of rocks with a lot of money in front of them. Your session bankroll is anywhere from 1-2k, and figure the table chipleader is sitting on about 1500. Is it really so wrong to buy in for the bare minimum, and make truly dumbass plays, and to make sure they're aware of how dumbass your plays are (by showing your JT or QJo after no one calls, etc), to establish an image of yourself as a gambler, moron, etc? Wouldn't you now be more likely to be called and paid off later on, when you have some significant money at stake? If the only hands you've shown have been trash, regardless of how insignificant your bets have been (in relation to your total session bankroll, which only you know), I guarantee they'll be more likely to pay off your monsters later. Obviously this doesn't apply to SNG's, but for cash games and rebuy tourneys, keep in mind it takes money to make money. Give them a little and then take back a lot.
Now let's hear some criticism.
Posted Sat Mar 17, 2007 9:13 pm GMT by Ensano
I find it better to establish a TAG image as soon as you can... In a see of fish I'd rather be able to bluff than possibly increase the chance to get a monster paid off a bit more...
Posted Sat Mar 17, 2007 10:51 pm GMT by tame_deuces
There are times when you gotta overbet w/o a draw or without what you figure to have a good chance of being the best hand, but it really isn't that often.
Posted Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:36 pm GMT by Alaskadude
| raisebot wrote: | | Doesn't anyone here at all care about building an image at the game they're sitting in? |
I happen to agree with you that establishing an image at the table is important, I just prefer to establish an image as a ROCK first. To me, it's cheaper that way.  After I've shown everyone the nuts severa; times I start pushing with weaker hands and take a few pots before everyone wises up. Then I tighten up again.
As I said, it's cheaper than trying to start out as a wild man. For me at least.
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