Posted Thu Mar 15, 2007 3:29 pm GMT by witt10s
Will post later streets. What is my action on flop after PFR checks?
PokerStars Game #8911218116: Tournament #45320212, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/03/15 - 08:15:20 (ET)
Table '45320212 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: superseco (2103 in chips)
Seat 2: 13mclean (1420 in chips)
Seat 3: barred56 (1358 in chips)
Seat 4: reraise_raph (1660 in chips)
Seat 5: ne14 (695 in chips)
Seat 6: Jacradi (1410 in chips)
Seat 7: Virag3000 (1364 in chips)
Seat 8: phildachil (1400 in chips)
Seat 9: hawker61 (2090 in chips)
reraise_raph: posts small blind 10
ne14: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 13mclean  
Jacradi: folds
Virag3000: raises 40 to 60
phildachil: folds
hawker61: folds
superseco: folds
13mclean: calls 60
barred56: calls 60
reraise_raph: folds
ne14: folds
*** FLOP ***   
Virag3000: checks
13mclean: ?
pot~210
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Posted Thu Mar 15, 2007 5:57 pm GMT by vyni
Preflop raise was only 3bb, which really doesn't mean anything. Think a standard continuation bet here would be best: we're actually holding onto a fairly decent hand here. We wouldn't dare check it from mid for fear late would represent the king to steal it.
An  on the turn would be a dream here. Any ace gives us a gutshot straight and flush draw, open ended for the queen. It's too early in the tourney to start taking risks by over playing the hand: I'd just throw about 120 out and see how the villains react and take it from there.
The preflop raise and second caller, I'ld just assume they're running with Ax, but there just hasn't been enough action yet to be sure. imho.
Posted Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:36 pm GMT by snoogins47
Fire away. About 150 I'd say, but it probably doesn't matter a whole lot.
Posted Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:14 pm GMT by jeffonline
We still have one villain to act after us, so the first villain to act could be slow playing, we need information and we don’t want to give free cards. We are on a good draw so we don’t necessarily need to price them out unless we think one has the Ad. I think half the pot raise will achieve our desired results.
Posted Fri Mar 16, 2007 3:16 am GMT by MrDarling
Are we going broke here if anyone pushes?
What do we do when they (1 or 2) call flop bet but we do not improve on the turn?
Posted Fri Mar 16, 2007 8:05 am GMT by shorn7
I like the lead here too. He can't have you beat AND have a higher flush draw too, so either way, we are either betting with the best hand or betting our good draw (14 outs to win). Heads up you could argue for a check, but more as a trap...I just don't want to give the 3rd guy a free shot to beat me.
I think $150 or a little more looks right and there is absolutely no way I fold to a push even this early. IF your goal is to win the tourny, then you need to accumulate and 14 outs to a likely win seems like enough to me.
Posted Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:57 pm GMT by witt10s
Ok so I felt like a bet was the best decision because I could either take it down on the flop or get some money in the pot with a decent pair/draw.
Is this bet too weak? I felt I didn't need to push people out at this point but maybe getting a fold or two with a bigger bet is a better option (or gets more money in).
13mclean: bets 120
barred56: calls 120
Virag3000: calls 120
*** TURN *** 
Virag3000: checks
13mclean:?
pot ~570
btw no reads/stats on these guys.
Posted Sat Mar 17, 2007 10:22 am GMT by vyni
The calling stations worked out well for us, but you almost have to assume at least one villan holds a king. If they're slow playing it, they're playing with fire and hopefully we can burn them.
Our position has the potential to screw us up fairly bad here, but I'ld have to continue as I had on the flop. We have the odds to throw about 250 out there right now with only 1 caller, but it also gives anyone else on a flush draw odds to call, and we have 2 flush draws that beat us. However, if we miss the flush, we have any other flush draws beat with our pair of jacks (for now). Have to keep in mind the AQ TQ 9T straight draws too.
I'ld do 300 and expect at least 1 caller. Reason for 300 is that we bet a hair over half pot on flop and I wouldn't want to look scared at all after the turn, and I'ld like to see one fold (preferably LP). If top pair villian wakes up and reraises, I'ld likely have to let it go. If LP min raises another 300 and EP calls it, I'ld call that but no matter what LP does, if EP reraises here I'ld fold. Right now though, neither villian has indicated any kind of strength so definitely bet here.
If action is another repeat on the river, improved or not, similar answer. I'ld throw in approx half the pot (we've represented a poorly played king so we may take it without a showdown) and probably fold to any reraises if I had missed. Not a bad hand, but not the best position to play it with. If I hit my flush on the river and a villian pushed, I'ld go bust to a higher flush here. If an ace drops on the river, I'ld bet the villians are going to go nuts, and unless it's the I'ld get out. lol
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