Posted Sat Mar 17, 2007 11:19 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Step by Step...
Seat 1: Buddy31358 ($30.15 in chips)
Seat 2: Partorg ($144.65 in chips)
Seat 3: LazyZorro ($75.45 in chips)
Seat 4: fisherfolk ($59 in chips)
Seat 5: hmloor ($180.10 in chips)
Seat 6: Turn_Prophet ($103.25 in chips)
Seat 7: 1p0kerboy ($109.40 in chips)
Seat 8: Grim Reaver ($100 in chips)
Seat 9: Hgh_Ssociety ($111 in chips)
Partorg: posts small blind $0.50
LazyZorro: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Turn_Prophet  
fisherfolk: folds
hmloor: raises $2 to $3
Turn_Prophet: calls $3
1p0kerboy: folds
Grim Reaver: folds
Hgh_Ssociety: folds
Buddy31358: folds
Partorg: calls $2.50
LazyZorro: calls $2
*** FLOP ***   
Partorg: checks
LazyZorro: bets $2.45
hmloor: raises $2.55 to $5
Turn_Prophet: ???
What's your move here?
Turn action is below...
** FLOP ***
Partorg: checks
LazyZorro: bets $2.45
hmloor: raises $2.55 to $5
Turn_Prophet: raises $15 to $20
Partorg: folds
LazyZorro: calls $17.55
hmloor: calls $15
*** TURN *** 
LazyZorro: checks
hmloor: bets $30
Turn_Prophet: ????
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Posted Sun Mar 18, 2007 2:09 am GMT by MrDarling
You do have a big draw, how ever with a bet and a raise I don't like it as much.
against 2 players there is a small chance you're already drawing dead (a set or a str and a higher flush draw)
Do you think you'd be able to push a higher flush draw off with a big bet?
I am really not sure how to act in this position. Call, and first raiser might push. And I really don't think you should call for all your money against 2 players here.
Looking at the following action. Well, it pretty obvious we have a big draw, 2 pair or over pair here (maybe PF raiser hit a set of Q's on the turn, or the nut str with a flush draw)
With only one card to come and someone to act behind you I'm lost again. I probably fold it. But I'm a nit.
Posted Sun Mar 18, 2007 8:42 pm GMT by Jefecaminador
Well to start off, we can rule out raising in this situation. Villian already has half his stack in the pot and looks very much like he likes his hand so semi-bluffing loses the added edge of potentially getting your opponent to fold. And with only bottom pair and a flush draw, theres no way you're ahead in the hand right now.
So next we look at the size of the pot and our potential outs. Theres 100 in the pot and its 30 to call. If this was HU we'd be getting slightly more than 3.3-1 on our money but we need 4-1 for our draw. You may be able to count 4 9's and 2 7's to give you the best hand, but I wouldnt be too comfortable putting the rest of my money in with just that.
So, assuming it gets to HU and you hit your flush on the river, the pot will be 130$ and if he checks and you push the rest in, he'll be getting ~3.5 to 1 on his money to call, meaning theres a good chance he'll call you down. Combing pot odds and implied odds I think you can make the call if you think it will be HU.
Surprisingly, it doesnt really matter what the raisor has in this hand, (Unless by some mircle he has AK of hearts). Whats really important is what you think the third guy in the pot has. What makes or breaks this as a call is how often you think the third guy in the hand has a flush draw. I'm too lazy to do the math, but if I had to guess I would think that if he had the flush draw as little as 25-30% of the time, it turns this into a fold on the turn. Which seems like a reasonable assumption to me considering his play of small bet/call big raise/check.
I prolly end up folding the turn.
Posted Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:09 pm GMT by exit music
This is a tricky hand b/c none of your draws are to the nuts, so you might be drawing to a second best hand with basically no outs on the turn. I'd feel sick to let this one go b/c you do have the  for the win, but I dunno how comfortable I am with this hand.
The turn was a really bad card b/c you no longer have a good str8 draw and your pair of 7s means absolutely nothing... so do you wanna stick in another $30 with an 8-high flush draw? Your flop play was great, but getting 2 calls is sick and that turn card is sick.
How'd things turn out? Drawing dead?
Posted Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:59 pm GMT by shorn7
I think I would have just called the flop because of the first guy leading out. I wouldn't have wanted to face another big raise there.
I think I muck the turn. You know have no str8 outs that are legit, so it is down to the flush. And, it might not be good either. It s tough to let this one go, but I do here.
Posted Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:54 pm GMT by jeffonline
The question is will our hand be strong enough if we do hit. As “hmloor” raised pre-flop I putting him on big cards possible AK, QQ AQ. Lasy was out of position but first to act after the flop the flop must have helped his hand The flush draw did not seem to bother “Lasy” by his small raise after the flop, I am presuming your up against an over pair or a made str8 from “hnloor” and the possible a flush draw from “lasy” and for “lasy” to still be there its possibly a higher flush draw. Love to hit that 9h though. But dream as I do the odds of loosing this one seem greater then the odds of winning, I going to fold.
Posted Tue Mar 20, 2007 5:11 pm GMT by efram
I think I just call the flop bet too.
Wouldn't keeping this pot smaller be beneifical
to us, ie having to call less on the turn if we want
to chase the fush?
Seems that turn card is scary scary, possibly drawing dead already, except to the miracle 1 outer.
Your semi-bluff flop raise failed to push anyone out and now we're facing a large turn bet and unless a 9h falls on the river our decision on the river is going to be difficult at best.
I think I fold and find a better spot.
Posted Wed Mar 21, 2007 7:14 pm GMT by MasterMike
With 4 people in the pot, i would have just called the flop. Too many things can happen, like what happened on the turn.
Posted Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:47 pm GMT by tame_deuces
Flop is kewl by me, but the turn sucks monkeyballs when all we can hope for now is the flush and we're squeezed between two players, so I prolly fold while cursing and chill with any moves for a while.
Posted Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:48 pm GMT by TheSalche
I don't think that pot odds are the most important consideration here, especially because we can't be sure about any of our draws. I'd probably feel best about a river 7, but even that is kinda blah. What we need to consider is:
1. opponents likely holdings
2. our position
Pre-flop: villain made a small raise and got a bunch of callers, so not much help in shorting their ranges, maybe we can discount AA/KK
Flop: OP doesn't mention reads, but notice that LazyZorro COLD CALLS two raises after leading the flop, to me that says he's got a straight or a set, hmloor also cold calls, but i think that actually rules out him having a straight (push the nutz in a 3-way pot is a normal play), i think hmloor's likely to be holding something like Q9, maybe queen 9 of hearts, AK hearts also likely ... he could also have something like JT.
Turn: zorro checks which is really weird, looks like a check raise (wouldn't you expect betting from either DC or hmloor?) Q9 hearts and AK hearts/no hearts are the most likely holdings for hmloor here, he didn't have to lead out, and i don't think he'd lead out with two pair here.
this is def a turn fold. flop is probably argueable for a raise/call, but id lean towards raising
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