Bluffing or good hands when becoming nervous? |
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Posted Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:47 pm GMT by robvleugel88
I was wondering something. In alot of poker articles they tell you people generaly have good hands if they are nervous. If they start breathing deeply and their heartbeat rises they probably hold excellent cards.
When I look at myself, I find the complete opposite. Atleast in the beginning, I was very nervous and 'scared' people wouldn't fall for my bluff. If they'd call my all-in bet I would lose all my chips so I'd almost hold my breath and my heart beat goes up to 100 beats a second.
So if you see someone breathing in and out deeply, and you notice the vain on his head starts to grow, do you need to fold or go all in and why? (assuming you have marginal hands)
Ofcourse every person is different but if these characteristics are common in both bluffing and holding strong hands they are quite useless 
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Posted Wed Mar 21, 2007 1:44 pm GMT by kingetje
when someone is shaking (shaky hands or shaky chest) this is a release of tension.... which happens when people get excited... which is when they hold a big hand
though i dont know if people do this when theyre blufing.. i think people tend to sit very still like a statue when they are bluffing.. trying to be invisible or un noticed
me, i do the same thing whether im bluffing or have the nuts... stare down at the table with my hands on my chips... and never react/answer when someone starts talking to ya during a pot
by the way, welcome to the forum my fellow Dutch poker player
Posted Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:57 am GMT by robvleugel88
Thanks for your reply
Hm maybe you're right.
But still I will not decide whether to fold/call completely based on these tells. People can also try to fake tells 
Posted Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:51 am GMT by snoogins47
The tricky part, I think, is that nerves tend to come into play when, after they bet/raise, one of the possible outcomes is much better than the other.
This of course happens with big hands, when they want you to call... and bluffs, when they want you to fold. And like you said, it's more important to look at how the individual player reacts as opposed to drawing conclusions early on.
As a rule of thumb though, I think the "massive nerves = big hand" thing is typically pretty good.
The real trick is to be watching for the entire hand, and use some logic.
Even if people get equally nervous when they have a big hand and when they're stone-bluffing, they'll start to get nervous as vastly different times.
Remember that we basically have to have a reason to be nervous. Players with big hands have plenty of reason to get excited the second that they recognize they have a big hand, whereas bluffers have absolutely no reason to be nervous until a)they decide to bluff, and then b)they follow through and actually put the chips into the pot. Subtle distinction, but quite important.
Posted Thu Mar 29, 2007 7:01 am GMT by MrDarling
FWIW , in my first ever live game I was cool as a cucumber when I got AK, flopped TP and took down the hand (even though I got c/r)
However, as soon as the hand was finish I shook for an hour.
Posted Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:52 pm GMT by robvleugel88
Ahh I see, so you have to watch for nervousness BEFORE they actualy bet. Bluffer will most likly start holding their breath and becoming nervous just after they moved their chips on the table, while people with good hands will most likely be nervous when they see the next card/flop on the table.
I'll try to experiment some more with the tells against my friends. Will be useful when I decide to enter some tournament (atleast at early stages when there are still alot of beginners perticipating).
Thanks for the reply's
Greetings,
Rob
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