Posted Fri Mar 23, 2007 10:39 am GMT by arras
I was playing in one of the 180 man sngs on stars last night and had managed to play my way into the final table. Blinds are 1k/2k and I have @ 56k and the chip lead. I get AKs in MP/LP shortly after we go to final table and raise it up to 6k. Villian (new at the table) with abou 30k pushes, what is your play and why?
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Posted Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:32 pm GMT by shorn7
I need to know the distribution of the rest of the players before answering.
Posted Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:45 pm GMT by efram
what are the other stacks at the table like?
If there are 1 or 2 really short stacks at the table, is folding here a decent option just because if we sit tight for a bit theres a good chance to increase our cash value?
At worst you're crushed by AA and a dog to KK,
the rest of the hands you're nearly a flip or you've got him crushed.
Villian is getting kinda short here, could be pushing with any 2 face cards or a PP and you've still got enough left behind if you lose to, survive a few orbits?
I think he's got Ax and you're about to add 30K to your stack.
Call and take a commanding chip lead.
Posted Fri Mar 23, 2007 1:26 pm GMT by arras
The two shorties had 12 - 14k and the rest of table was clustered betweek 25 to 38k or so.
Posted Fri Mar 23, 2007 1:47 pm GMT by MrDarling
really tough spot.
How new is villain in the table? If it is first couple of hands there is a bigger chance he thinks you are using your stack to rub the table and is trying to play back at you with Ax.
What's the buyin is also important for the case.
I think without reads, I probably make a disgusted call. I think you are at worse facing a race. I doubt most low level players will be tricky enough to push with A's or K's in this spot.
Am not sure about this one yet.
Posted Fri Mar 23, 2007 2:02 pm GMT by arras
Villian was 3 or 4 hands in at the table, and has not seen me make a move, this was a $22.
Posted Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:29 pm GMT by shorn7
I think I lay it down at this point. At best you are a coin flip since you don't know if villain would do this with a weaker Ace and given your chip position, why risk your status now?
Assuming that most of the $$ is in the top 3, you need to look to protect your stack a bit and wait to get the $$ in when you have the fold equity.
Posted Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:33 pm GMT by Gunslinger
With villain's chip stack compared to the others, it doesn't seem like he would be desperate enough to make this move with AQ or worse. This smells to me like a medium pocket pair that he doesn't want to play after the flop. There is a small chance you're crushed by AA or KK, and a small chance you do have him beat. It's a coin flip against any other pair, and at this stage of the final table, I wouldn't want to flip for more than half my stack if I were the chip leader and could pick some better spots to bully the table.
Posted Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:44 pm GMT by arras
Yeah, I should have waited, he flipped KK and I didn't improve. Of course it was 2 am and I was pretty hammered, but the thing that kept going through my head was if I win this hand I'm on cruise control to top 3 where the real money was. I thought it could have easily been AQ or medium pair, I figured AA would have just re-raised a smaller amount.
I was a decent payday though considering just a few days ago all I had was .06 in my account.
Posted Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:58 pm GMT by Phil14312
If you call and win you are on cruise control to make the big money. If you call and lose you have an average stack. I would probably call.
Posted Sat Mar 24, 2007 2:44 am GMT by MrDarling
This turned out to be very interesting.
I thought I play way to nitty when shorter stack pushes since my calling requirements are usually pretty high.
So which hand do you need to call villain AI in this situation?
Would you call with T's? what about J's or Q's?
Also, doesn't raising and folding sort of destroy our image and disturb us from stealing the blinds later on?
I like this. Keep it coming.
Posted Sat Mar 24, 2007 6:31 pm GMT by snoogins47
I swear I responded to this post last night.
I probably call here. I think we're up against a worse Ace way more than enough to make this call significantly +TCEV. That's never enough to get the whole story, but tournament realities can only make you give up so much of a chip edge, especially late in as the stacks are gonna get shorter and shorter.
Posted Sat Mar 24, 2007 9:12 pm GMT by exit music
I can't really see folding AK here especially b/c of your chipstack
Posted Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:22 am GMT by kompis
call it... because i want to win the mtt.
Like snoogins said, your up against a worse A here fairly frequently and likely racing.... If you think u can always get your chips in better than this on a final table with blinds going up you are delluding yourself. AA and KK doesnt always come along, I call AK here like 99.9% of the time
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