Posted Sun Mar 25, 2007 2:24 am GMT by mortaleclipse
Hero - J  9 
Flop - 8 10 J
Bet and Villians calls
Turn = Q
Bet and Villian calls
River - K (cry)
Bet villians pushed for rest of his 60 dollars. I couldnt believe im about to fold my straight flush but obvious he had the royal and he did show.
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Posted Sun Mar 25, 2007 3:11 am GMT by MrDarling
I'll have to have an excellent read, see the As and still am not sure I would be able to fold it here.
Posted Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:07 am GMT by fiezk
Can you fold the Ks with 4 spades on the board? It's the same thing.
Good fold.
Posted Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:56 pm GMT by jeffonline
If he’s got the As good for him he is going to win a very big pot from me, no way I would ever fold this.
Posted Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:57 pm GMT by snoogins47
| jeffonline wrote: | | If he’s got the As good for him he is going to win a very big pot from me, no way I would ever fold this. |
Not to incite, or even offer an opinion, but why not?
Posted Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:13 am GMT by exit music
| snoogins47 wrote: | | jeffonline wrote: | | If he’s got the As good for him he is going to win a very big pot from me, no way I would ever fold this. |
Not to incite, or even offer an opinion, but why not? |
it's a straight flush d00d 
Posted Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:54 am GMT by jeffonline
Representing a hand does not necessarily mean they have it. There are a lot of hands he could put all his money in this pot with. Yes he may have the A but I want to see it, it’s as simple as that. I could not call myself a poker player if I folded this.
Posted Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:58 am GMT by jeffonline
Not even the great Phil Hellmuth would fold a K high strait flush.
Posted Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:24 am GMT by Geno
| jeffonline wrote: | | Not even the great Phil Hellmuth would fold a K high strait flush. |
Are we not getting blinded by the fact that we have 'OMG A STRAIT FLUSH!!!111one' when really what we have the arse end of a potential Royal and there is every chance we are behind?
I don't know what I'd do here but I certainly wouldn't insta-donk all my chips unless I could read my opponent well. Him holding the  is not that much of a stretch given the action although we don't know the size of the flop bet if he was drawing to the nut flush of course and we have no reads.....
Posted Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:57 am GMT by snoogins47
We'd need a few more specifics, most importantly pot size on the river, but I think saying "there's a lot of hands" that he could have is quite misleading. Just because "23o pure bluffing" and "top set pure bluffing" are nominally different hands really doesn't mean anything. There is no question, no equivocating, no hemming or hawing: We only beat a bluff.
Real-Life poker situations are almost never this simple. It's barely more complicated than the three-card poker that people use to illustrate the basics of game theory/bluff frequency/etc. And it's pretty obvious to both parties involved that this is the case.
Can't put a final answer on it without more information of course, but it is quite within the realm of possibility that this is a fold. Perhaps an easy one. It's merely a matter of "Where's my break-even point, and is he pure-bluffing at least that frequently?"
Posted Mon Mar 26, 2007 4:27 pm GMT by mortaleclipse
The pot on the turn was around 85 bucks if I remember right. My conclusion on the river was he could of only called a few hands on the turn the most likely of all is ace of spades. I think the donk play would of been to call considering I was almost certain he had that card. Which in turn he did have cause he flashed it.
I really wish I could of posted it but I was playing on a friends computer and forgot to copy it. By thinking I have a straight flush and I cant fold I believe is completely level 1 thinking of poker. What could this guy have on the turn. A set possibly but no way would of he pushed on the river considering I fired on the turn with 4 spades up there. The only thing most are thinking is the straight flush but in reality my straight flush is like having 2/3 off suit with this board and my logical thinking on villian.img /img
Posted Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:44 pm GMT by khaosanroad
If it's a bad beat jackpot table it's an instacall.
Posted Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:45 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
| khaosanroad wrote: | | If it's a bad beat jackpot table it's an instacall. |
Both hole cards usually have to play for both people for BB jackpots.
Posted Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:12 am GMT by vyni
If you were confident that he held the , then it's a definite fold. I wouldn't have liked doing it, but I'd have done it. I'd have spent the next hour or so screaming at anything and everything about anything and everything, but I'd fold it. If you know you're beat, it's obvious from there.
Where it would have gone real bad is if I folded and he didn't show it to me. That would be enough to make me snap and tilt for a month. lol
Posted Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:11 pm GMT by supafrey
You guys know there's a difference between how "good your hand is" (OMG I HAVE A SF!) and how "likely it is to be winning" (OMG I COULD BE LOSING, EVEN WITH MY SF!). Unless you're paying money so that you can show off your straight flushes...
but what game is that, exactly? 
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