a couple trouble hands from today... |
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Posted Sun Mar 25, 2007 3:25 pm GMT by Ensano
hand #1....
POKERSTARS GAME #9085326370: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/03/25 - 16:21:31 (ET)
Table 'Delportia II' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Ensano ($97.10 in chips)
Seat 2: Mrallinow ($47.70 in chips)
Seat 3: tonka1651 ($79.20 in chips)
Seat 4: UK_Raz ($240.75 in chips)
Seat 5: Big Lode ($88.05 in chips)
Seat 6: jimmy6744 ($96.35 in chips)
Seat 7: mrprib ($101.30 in chips)
Seat 8: bullyjohnson ($140.10 in chips)
Seat 9: BulletsMcGee ($109.40 in chips)
tonka1651: posts small blind $0.50
UK_Raz: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ensano  
Big Lode: folds
jimmy6744: folds
mrprib: folds
bullyjohnson: calls $1
BulletsMcGee: folds
Ensano: raises $4 to $5
Mrallinow: folds
tonka1651: folds
UK_Raz: folds
bullyjohnson: calls $4
*** FLOP ***   
bullyjohnson: checks
Ensano: bets $7
bullyjohnson: calls $7
*** TURN *** 
bullyjohnson: checks
Ensano: bets $12
bullyjohnson: raises $22 to $34
Ensano: ?
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Posted Sun Mar 25, 2007 4:07 pm GMT by Ensano
Hand #2
POKERSTARS GAME #9085968635: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/03/25 - 17:01:13 (ET)
Table 'Delportia II' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Ensano ($117.75 in chips)
Seat 2: bettyboo123 ($56.70 in chips)
Seat 3: tonka1651 ($88.55 in chips)
Seat 4: UK_Raz ($274.25 in chips)
Seat 5: m1kko ($98.50 in chips)
Seat 6: Ragamuffin7 ($49.50 in chips)
Seat 7: znurre ($95.50 in chips)
Seat 8: bullyjohnson ($239.65 in chips)
bullyjohnson: posts small blind $0.50
daddyherb: is sitting out
Ensano: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ensano  
daddyherb leaves the table
bettyboo123: calls $1
tonka1651: folds
UK_Raz: folds
p1939g joins the table at seat #9
m1kko: calls $1
Ragamuffin7: folds
znurre: folds
bullyjohnson: folds
Ensano: checks
*** FLOP ***   
Ensano: bets $2.20
bettyboo123: folds
m1kko: raises $7.80 to $10
Ensano: calls $7.80
*** TURN *** 
Ensano: checks
m1kko: bets $14
Ensano: calls $14
*** RIVER *** 
Ensano: checks
m1kko: bets $35
Ensano: ?
Posted Sun Mar 25, 2007 5:42 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Hand 1 = easy fold--this is not the time to risk a lot on one pair, especially with the river still to follow. Also, your preflop raise and continuation bet are FAR too large for my taste.
Hand 2 = easy call; you're probably facing overplayed AK or a missed nut draw. You could alternatively 3-bet all-in on the flop.
Posted Sun Mar 25, 2007 5:51 pm GMT by Ensano
| xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: | | Hand 1 = easy fold--this is not the time to risk a lot on one pair, especially with the river still to follow. Also, your preflop raise and continuation bet are FAR too large for my taste. |
preflop i tend to raise 4xBB adding 1xbb for each limper... cbet was too much... without a flush draw, I usually only bet 1/2 pot... kinda had a brain fart there...
hand #1 con't....
*** TURN ***
bullyjohnson: checks
Ensano: bets $12
bullyjohnson: raises $22 to $34
Ensano: calls $22
*** RIVER *** 
bullyjohnson: bets $64
Ensano: ?
villian was a TAG 14/5/3 with a WTS% of 11.11.. figured him for the A...
Posted Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:24 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Well if you're going to call the turn there I don't see how you can fold the river after it improved your hand (if you were behind, the Q was either your only out, or you were drawing dead anyway), even though it's very likely you're facing a set IMO. Congrats if you sucked out on his AT/AK.
Posted Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:36 pm GMT by Ensano
| xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: | | Well if you're going to call the turn there I don't see how you can fold the river after it improved your hand (if you were behind, the Q was either your only out, or you were drawing dead anyway), even though it's very likely you're facing a set IMO. Congrats if you sucked out on his AT/AK. |
man I wish I could read hands better...
*** RIVER ***
bullyjohnson: bets $64
Ensano: calls $51.10 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
bullyjohnson: shows   (three of a kind, Tens)
Ensano: mucks hand
bullyjohnson collected $192.70 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $195.70 | Rake $3
Board
Seat 1: Ensano mucked
Posted Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:40 pm GMT by TheSalche
Here's my question with hand 1, why are you betting the turn? Value? Bluff? If you're gonna bet it, at least make it a decent sized bet, not the incredibly wimpy $12. Notice that makes the hand a lot easier, river is a call of a smallish bet (1/2 - 3/4) and folding to anything more.
Second hand you played it fine, as DC said 3betting the flop works, doesn't even have to be all-in
Posted Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:19 pm GMT by Ensano
| TheSalche wrote: | Here's my question with hand 1, why are you betting the turn? Value? Bluff? If you're gonna bet it, at least make it a decent sized bet, not the incredibly wimpy $12. Notice that makes the hand a lot easier, river is a call of a smallish bet (1/2 - 3/4) and folding to anything more.
Second hand you played it fine, as DC said 3betting the flop works, doesn't even have to be all-in |
betting the turn was more of a value bet.... figured a lot of hands could call that cbet so I wanted to price out any possible draws.... 12$ bet was 1/2 pot... with no flush draw I don't know a reason to bloat the pot with a 2/3-3/4 bet... they still weren't getting correct odds to call ..
Posted Mon Mar 26, 2007 1:34 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
9 times out of 10 if your opponent check/calls a raggy flop and then check/raises the turn that doesn't complete any draws (especially if it's a scary card like an Ace), he has a set or something similar. But I almost guarantee that a typical player making a similar move can almost always beat one pair.
Posted Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:13 am GMT by snoogins47
| xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: | | 9 times out of 10 if your opponent check/calls a raggy flop and then check/raises the turn that doesn't complete any draws (especially if it's a scary card like an Ace), he has a set or something similar. But I almost guarantee that a typical player making a similar move can almost always beat one pair. |
Somebody wiser than me once said something like "I need to learn to slow the hell down when I raise preflop, get called on the ragged flop, and start to go to war on the A turn. I turned top pair, and every single player at the table knows it." Or something like that.
Hand 1:PFR is probably okay, though I usually go smaller. Flop bet is fine. The turn I think a little larger bet is probably better than the $12... though I think the best line here is a check behind on the turn, call his river bet, or fire out about $16 on if he checks it again, since he's so apt to play bluff catcher with JT or something. Calling the turn C/R probably isn't even right against me, which is saying something.
Hand 2 is a tossup I think. I'm more likely to re-raise the flop here since we're out of position and it just makes the rest of the hand easier to play, but call-call isn't bad. You gotta call the river for sure... maybe not be overwhelmingly happy about it, but you pulled ahead a nice chunk of the hands that would've had you beat.
Posted Mon Mar 26, 2007 3:23 pm GMT by Moon_Child
when he called that flop, you knew you were easily beat by probably top pair, a set, overpair or even mid pair...
but when he check raised the turn, i put him instantly on a set and was right...
the AQ should of been a easily lay down, but when the river hit... it gave you some hard decision because now you have such a strong hand... but folding that raise would of been the right move..
why would be raise you in that position if the ace hit? think about it... unless he had like AT or a set.. his overpair would of been dead
HAND 2 = easy call
Posted Mon Mar 26, 2007 3:46 pm GMT by Ensano
yeah... in hindsight the c/r on the turn shows he's not afraid of the A but rather likes it... even if he was c/c with top pair him liking the A give him at least 2 pair at which point I'm either drawing to the Q or dead...
I gotta learn to think more...
Posted Mon Mar 26, 2007 4:07 pm GMT by Dave B
When I run into some tough hands, I like to fire up the new scooter and the wind running through my hair eases the pain.
Posted Fri Mar 30, 2007 2:05 am GMT by Yozman
how u called the turn then folded once u hit ur trip queens really has me totally stumped. u should put ur opponent on a hand and stick to it. once the ace hits if u thought he had a ace or poket aces then how do u call. im sorry but u played that hand soooooooo bad. u call then u hit ur trps and u fold, it doesnt make sense. what other card were u trying to hit
Posted Fri Mar 30, 2007 8:20 am GMT by Ensano
| Yozman wrote: | | how u called the turn then folded once u hit ur trip queens really has me totally stumped. u should put ur opponent on a hand and stick to it. once the ace hits if u thought he had a ace or poket aces then how do u call. im sorry but u played that hand soooooooo bad. u call then u hit ur trps and u fold, it doesnt make sense. what other card were u trying to hit |
ummm... there's no trip Qs anywhere...
Posted Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:13 pm GMT by sixsixtie
Yeah that river fold is bad. And 2nd hand with tp and a flush draw why don't you 3 bet hammer to like $20~?
Posted Fri Mar 30, 2007 3:54 pm GMT by Phil14312
| Dave B wrote: | | When I run into some tough hands, I like to fire up the new scooter and the wind running through my hair eases the pain. |
Early nomination for post of the year.
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