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Posted Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:15 am GMT by Phil14312
I have KK in the CO. Folds to MP2 who raises, I 3-bet. No reads he just sat down. Heads up to the flop.
7  9 T
I don't have the K
He bets I raise, he 3-bets, I cap. My line was to call down any further betting and bet when checked too.
Turn: 8 
He leads out. Now what? Call or fold.
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Posted Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:49 am GMT by exit music
Hm tricky spot.
My first thought is that there aren't many hands that you can beat, the only possible hand I can think of is A Q ?.
You are getting pretty good odds to call, from my quick count it looks like you're getting about 7:1 on the call... which means he's getting 7:1 on a bluff with some sort of disconnected hand. This also means that you are getting really good odds on a bluff, I don't know if it's too bold to try to raise here, but the turn was a pretty scary card, so if your opponent is the kind of player who will bet/fold on the turn, a raise here would be pretty sick.
If you raise and get called, it will probably check-check on the river, if you raised and get re-raised, you can feel free to fold... If he call/bets, I'd probably fold.
If you plan on going call-call, I'd rather invest the 2BB to get a lil fold equity by raising on the turn.
Posted Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:38 am GMT by MrDarling
Skalnsky says when the pot is so big you can't fold. Guys seems really attached to his hand though. He could have AsK or Q's but he could also have J's, T's or a complete air.
There are 12 big bets. You need to call one bet now and probably one more on the river. So you'd be getting 2-14 (1-7) that means you have to be right only 20% of the time to make this the right call.
I think its a call, call.
Posted Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:56 am GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| MrDarling wrote: | | I think its a call, call. |
+1, but I fold on a river spade.
Posted Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:15 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
| Sean_in_NJ wrote: | | MrDarling wrote: | | I think its a call, call. |
+1, but I fold on a river spade. |
Agree. Also do not like capping flop.
Posted Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:41 pm GMT by MrDarling
| xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: |
Also do not like capping flop. |
+1
Posted Tue Mar 27, 2007 3:35 pm GMT by snoogins47
| MrDarling wrote: | | xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: |
Also do not like capping flop. |
+1 |
Calling the 3bet is probably best, but I don't think capping is all that far behind... since some people seem to like to slow down OOP with draws that miss the turn. Probably works even better if the opponent is such that we can fold to a turn c/r on a blank... and I think a lot of people are like that. I'm not sure though, since a lot of the folks who would 3bet that flop OOP with a draw are the folks that will keep firing anyway on the turn.
Regardless I think raising the turn is probably bad. That card was scary, but almost invariably not scary enough to get virtually any hand to fold. The pot's too big for any better hand to fold, and anybody with a big spade has to stick around too. Call, pray, and call safe rivers gets my vote too.
Posted Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:29 pm GMT by Phil14312
I think a large portion of his range is a combo hand with pair/straight/flush draws. Well the 8 is a horrible card. I thought a hand like JJ with a spade was likely. He could've flopped a set. JT, QT, KT, or AT with the A
Me capping the flop is supposed to slow down the A . When he lead out on the turn I think those top/pair big spade hands get discounted a lot.
I folded.
Later, when I got some PT numbers, I probably should've called down. Oh well.
Posted Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:33 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
A Jx isn't out of the question.
Posted Wed Mar 28, 2007 8:02 pm GMT by exit music
sucks how we're a million miles behind AsJx
I guess my idea of raising on the turn wasn't a great idea, I just don't feel comfortable going call-call, I guess the advantage is that you automatically get a showdown. I overestimated the # of hands that we are behind that would bet/fold the turn...
Sometimes I think too far outside the box when I'm looking at a hand on paper. Meh interesting hand anyways, I might steal this hand and put it on 2+2 to see some more analysis, just cause I'm curious.
Posted Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:19 pm GMT by Phil14312
I think raising turn is just spewing...we're getting 3-bet a lot here, even a smart LAG may 3.bet with just the A , b/c he knows I don't have a made flush, basically.
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