Am I terrible for drawing here? 2/4 FL |
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Posted Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:32 pm GMT by Phil14312
PokerStars Game #9134193020: Hold'em Limit ($2/$4) - 2007/03/28 - 16:16:07 (ET)
Table 'Itzigsohn' 10-max Seat #10 is the button
Seat 1: Racer55 ($31 in chips)
Seat 2: bigslush1 ($66.50 in chips)
Seat 3: celesteclub ($74 in chips)
Seat 4: beenjamn42 ($66 in chips)
Seat 5: RIVERRITA ($168.50 in chips)
Seat 6: pyromedik ($84 in chips)
Seat 8: robert1972 ($80 in chips)
Seat 9: stalker33 ($71 in chips)
Seat 10: megaard ($85 in chips)
Racer55: posts small blind $1
bigslush1: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to celesteclub King  Queen 
celesteclub: raises $2 to $4
beenjamn42: folds
RIVERRITA: folds
pyromedik: calls $4
RIVERRITA leaves the table
robert1972: calls $4
stalker33: folds
megaard: folds
Racer55: folds
bigslush1: calls $2
*** FLOP *** 6 T  3
Greel13 joins the table at seat #5
bigslush1: checks
celesteclub: checks
pyromedik: bets $2
robert1972: folds
bigslush1: calls $2
celesteclub: calls $2
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Posted Thu Mar 29, 2007 9:30 am GMT by TheSalche
when i see this hand and i think "what is he drawing to?" initially ... probably not the best idea
Posted Thu Mar 29, 2007 9:41 am GMT by raisebot
^
Not the best idea but not necessarily a bad idea, either.
Sometimes call, sometimes fold?
Posted Thu Mar 29, 2007 9:48 am GMT by MasterShake
I guess it depends on whether or not the ace or king of hits the turn or not. :D
Posted Thu Mar 29, 2007 10:28 am GMT by tame_deuces
Pretty much. When the bet gets a call before it gets to you, its highly unlikely that you'll end up with the best hand on the river.
Your hand has no showdown value, your backdoor draw is to the Q-high fourflush + backdoor gutshot, and if you hit your K or Q you might end up having to pay 2 bets with the 2nd best hand.
Posted Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:52 pm GMT by Phil14312
Well, my original post said that PYROMEDIK was a 16/5/1, the rest are unknown.
FWIW most 16/5/1 type players know enough to not be cold-calling raises with KT or QT OOP. His most likely hands here are: AT, 66, something like Q J .
I'm getting 5.5:1 on a call to a backdoor flush draw, backdoor straight draw and 6 overcard outs. I'd give myself something like 7 outs.
Posted Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:08 pm GMT by tame_deuces
Yeah, but you have to count in the times you have to call 2 bets with the potentially worst hand when you make top pair also and a 2nd drawer increases the chance of this. Negative implied odds detract greatly from overcard outs in FL, esp i multi pots.
Posted Thu Mar 29, 2007 5:35 pm GMT by Dave B
I either raise or fold. Since you were the preflop raiser, if you feel that you have a tight image, they will either fold or check the turn to you.
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