Posted Sat Mar 31, 2007 10:16 am GMT by barry16
Dunno if this is the right area to post this but here goes.
In a cash game involving only 2 players and both players move all in pre-flop, do the players have to show their cards? The poker site that I am using does not show the players cards until after the river and low and behold I have yet to win a single showdown in this siutation losing out to some strange preflop all in hands. I have discussed this with a site manager and they are adamant that this is normal.
Thanks,
Barry
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Posted Sat Mar 31, 2007 10:59 am GMT by snoogins47
Typically players are under no obligation to show their hand until the showdown. Some sites will animate this, and some won't. Either way, it does not come anywhere near mattering.
Posted Sat Mar 31, 2007 11:22 am GMT by Geno
| barry16 wrote: | | ...and low and behold I have yet to win a single showdown in this siutation losing out to some strange preflop all in hands. |
I wouldn't get hung up on this - the cards are not going to be rigged against you or anything so don't worry about that.
Welcome to the site by the way.
Posted Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:23 pm GMT by barry16
I was always under the impression that the player who has been called in an all-in situation was obligated to show their hand. ah well, always room to learn. anyway my opinion on the matter has changed over the past few days, the morale boost that winning a few hands brings 
Posted Mon Apr 02, 2007 5:51 pm GMT by Geno
| barry16 wrote: | | I was always under the impression that the player who has been called in an all-in situation was obligated to show their hand. |
You can muck your hand without showing whenever you choose. The only exception is when two players are all-in before the river card in a tournament when the cards are flipped face up before any more cards are dealt.
Posted Mon Apr 02, 2007 6:12 pm GMT by barry16
im showing my ignorance here having prior to this week only ever played in tournaments.
Posted Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:26 am GMT by supafrey
At my live game we always had a pretty good rule that cards only had to be "rolled" if the person wanted. There's some ppl that have superstitious stuff about showing their cards before the river card is out, etc. Whatever. It's no big deal.
At the casino anyone in the hand can ask to see a card that goes to showdown, so some assholes love abusing that rule over and over just to be a jerk. I once had an hour needling contest with a 45 year old man because he did this to me, and I spent the good part of those 60 minutes questioning him over and over on why he thought that kind of behaviour was acceptable at a "friendly table". I ripped him a new one.
Posted Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:02 pm GMT by jeffonline
This is the rule that covers this situation its from “Robert’s Rules Of Poker” by BoB Caffone, a leading authority on cardroom rules.
“7. If everyone checks (or is all-in) on the final betting round, the player who acted first is the first to show the hand. If there is wagering on the final betting round, the last player to take aggressive action by a bet or raise is the first to show the hand. In order to speed up the game, a player holding a probable winner is encouraged to show the hand without delay. If there is a side pot, players involved in the side pot should show their hands before anyone who is all-in for only the main pot.”
Appears to be no official rule as to showing of cards before the river card is dealt, these variations appear to be unique to house or individual games. They show cards on TV but this is one of those variations.
Posted Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:47 pm GMT by MasterShake
I won't show unless I'm interested in running it twice, which is very rare.
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