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Posted Sun Apr 01, 2007 11:46 pm GMT by BigSlick34
Okay guys in the past 2 weeks my bankroll has gone from about 300 down to 250 playing .05/.10 nl on full tilt. I felt this was because when i was ahead i was getting no value nad when i had top pair and some donk would call me 3Xbb raise preflop with a2 flop would come a2X and I would pay him off.
To test my theory I decided for the first time to move up to .10/.25 on stars. Well I played for about 2 hours on 2 tables at once. Only buying in 10$ (to not kill my bankroll on an all in) and every time i felt the game was getting to tough for my skill level i changed tables.
Final outcome for the 2 hour session: +70$!
I understand to some this is basically nothing, but to a 250$ bankroll thats huge!
So my question to all you guys out there.
A) This is more my game as Im getting my money in while im ahead.
B) I just got lucky a bunch of times.
C)Little of both
D)Probly a one time thing. Let me show you some of my big wins.
Some hands quick..
Any pointers I'd love to hear.
Thanks guys!
PokerStars Game #9209161642: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/04/02 - 00:24:08 (ET)
Table 'Thyone II' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: korat1979 ($19.35 in chips)
Seat 2: Dofnsman43 ($26.85 in chips)
Seat 3: NRH Old Man ($15.25 in chips)
Seat 4: MiltownBob ($21.15 in chips)
Seat 5: ARK4748 ($26.20 in chips)
Seat 6: HEMI-KING ($27.90 in chips)
MiltownBob: posts small blind $0.10
ARK4748: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MiltownBob  
HEMI-KING: calls $0.25
korat1979: calls $0.25
Dofnsman43: folds
NRH Old Man: calls $0.25
MiltownBob: raises $1.25 to $1.50
ARK4748: calls $1.25
HEMI-KING: calls $1.25
korat1979: calls $1.25
NRH Old Man: folds
*** FLOP ***   
MiltownBob: checks
ARK4748: checks
HEMI-KING: checks
korat1979: bets $0.75
MiltownBob: raises $1.25 to $2
ARK4748: folds
HEMI-KING: folds
korat1979: calls $1.25
*** TURN *** 
MiltownBob: bets $5
korat1979: calls $5
*** RIVER *** 
MiltownBob: checks
korat1979: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
MiltownBob: shows (three of a kind, Kings)
korat1979: mucks hand
MiltownBob collected $19.30 from pot
PokerStars Game #9209079041: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/04/02 - 00:17:36 (ET)
Table 'Thyone II' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: korat1979 ($18.25 in chips)
Seat 2: Dofnsman43 ($29.30 in chips)
Seat 3: wiskerstc112 ($20.45 in chips)
Seat 4: MiltownBob ($17.25 in chips)
Seat 5: ARK4748 ($25.25 in chips)
Seat 6: HEMI-KING ($33 in chips)
MiltownBob: posts small blind $0.10
ARK4748: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MiltownBob
HEMI-KING: calls $0.25
korat1979: folds
Dofnsman43: folds
wiskerstc112: folds
MiltownBob: raises $0.75 to $1
ARK4748: folds
HEMI-KING: calls $0.75
*** FLOP ***   
MiltownBob: bets $1
HEMI-KING: calls $1
*** TURN *** 
MiltownBob: bets $2
HEMI-KING: calls $2
*** RIVER *** 
MiltownBob: bets $4
HEMI-KING: calls $4
*** SHOW DOWN ***
MiltownBob: shows (a pair of Kings)
HEMI-KING: mucks hand
MiltownBob collected $15.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $16.25 | Rake $0.75
Board
Seat 1: korat1979 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Dofnsman43 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: wiskerstc112 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: MiltownBob (small blind) showed and won ($15.50) with a pair of Kings
Seat 5: ARK4748 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: HEMI-KING mucked  
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Posted Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:27 am GMT by jeffonline
When you move up from a lower limit the difficulty meter is automatically re-set to zero, this could be a big factor in your results. If you did not pre warn us at support of your move it may have taken us weeks to set the correct difficulty level. Your posting on this site has been brought to our attention and we now advise that you meter has been adjusted to the appropriate higher level. Thank you in advance for your contribution.
Posted Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:31 am GMT by MrDarling
You got to be kidding me.
Look again at those hands you posted - do you think players at $10NL would have played it any different, or maybe you think they would have managed to suck out of you?
You raised to 5XBB and still got 3 callers!
BTW, what would you have done in hand one if villain has pushed on that river?
I look at your post and see one of your leaks :
| Quote: | | ...some donk would call me 3Xbb raise preflop with a2 flop would come a2X and I would pay him off. |
Stop paying Donk off.
It is really that simple.
Sure, you get people suck out on you, and you get donk to take your stack sometime - but if you don't pay off with TPTK without reads, you should do ok.
As an example, yesterday had AK in the MP and decided just to call a UTG raise.
flop was J high, checked around. Turn a K. MP bet and I just call (feeling its either the same hand or he is slow playing a hugh hand)
River was a T and he push. Now my reads said he probably hit his monster KT. And really the only hand I can hope for now I that is not a bluff his a the same as mine - so what did I do? I call.Big mistake. Hope you can see it.
Of course the guy was playing a monster - Q9o and rivered a str.
But the guy who played this hand like a donk is ME.
I could have reraised the turn. But more importantly I shouldn't have called his AI when then only thing I can beat was a bluff. Not in this spot.
Don't play in higher levels. When they suck out on you , you'd lose more. And when you make a mistake, you'd lose even more.
Good luck
Danny
Posted Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:32 am GMT by TheSalche
Your flop raise on the first hand makes me want to throw up.
Posted Mon Apr 02, 2007 2:31 am GMT by MrDarling
| TheSalche wrote: | | Your flop raise on the first hand makes me want to throw up. |
Guess he visits that OTHER poker forum where they advocate the 4XBB + 1BB per limper.
It is a little on the big size, but hi, still got 3 callers.
Posted Mon Apr 02, 2007 2:52 am GMT by supafrey
| MrDarling wrote: | | TheSalche wrote: | | Your flop raise on the first hand makes me want to throw up. |
Guess he visits that OTHER poker forum where they advocate the 4XBB + 1BB per limper.
It is a little on the big size, but hi, still got 3 callers. |
he said flop raise, not preflop raise.
Posted Mon Apr 02, 2007 6:34 am GMT by snoogins47
Um, guys, you're missing the most important thing.
Your results were absolutely, totally conclusively, absolutely gobsmackingly totally entirely thoroughly the result of dumb luck.
Thing is, your past two weeks of results at nl$10 were almost undoubtedly the same. I mean, all silly arguments about "OMG HOW LONG IS THE LONG RUN" aside, you played 2 hours of 2 tabling including switching tables
Wee. Don't draw conclusions based on pathetically tiny sample sizes. Trust me.
Also, yeah, that flop raise is just plain weird.
Posted Mon Apr 02, 2007 8:46 am GMT by BigSlick34
Wierd because I didn't want to get drawn out on, or was i supposed to keep letting him bet into me?
Posted Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:13 am GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| BigSlick34 wrote: | | Wierd because I didn't want to get drawn out on, or was i supposed to keep letting him bet into me? |
My math sucks today, but I'm going to guess that everyone is regurgitating on the notion that you raised $1.25 into a $7 pot.
If you didn't want him to suck out, you practically invited it.
*edit* Yes my math did suck, by a large margin. *edit*
Posted Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:36 am GMT by MrDarling
Sorry, I totally missed Salche point and even worse the flop action. Ouch.
You're giving any weak draws the odds to draw on you.
Raise more.
Posted Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:14 pm GMT by TheSalche
| Sean_in_NJ wrote: | My math sucks today, but I'm going to guess that everyone is regurgitating on the notion that you raised $1.25 into a $7 pot.
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Correct ... if you're gonna make a raise for value here get some money in the pot, AQ, AJ and AT are gonna call a raise up to say $4 - $5, but you're pretty much letting a naked queen or jack get great odds to draw out on you.
And snoogins is right, short term means nothing, results don't start to count much until at least 10,000 hands of play.
Posted Mon Apr 02, 2007 8:57 pm GMT by BigSlick34
alright thanks everyone, keep in mind in really new just loooking to get better not called a dumbass:)
Posted Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:25 pm GMT by tame_deuces
And also, just bet the flop instead of C/R in the 1st hand. Flop like that and that preflop action, somebody has something and wants to play with you almost all the time.
And the difference between 10NL and 25NL is almost non-existant in 6-max imho, atleast if you table-select well.
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