The Jamie Gold Phenomenon (sp?) |
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Posted Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:24 am GMT by MrDarling
No offense to Mister Gold, but in the last 2 live MTT I played their always seems to be some guy who just barely grasp the game who manages to build a hugh stack and keep hitting the boards.
In the first game the guy would call raises with A9o and then call the AI with 2ndPTK against an AK and win.
Yesterday I played in another MTT and again, someone who barely grasp the gain, played real bad and either kept hitting the flop or simply bluffing every one out of the hands and showing his crap again and again.
1st hand I show he made a guy fold A's on the river with 83o.
So my question, does every big MTT has a designated winner?
yeah, the guy from yesterday bust me and 2 of my friends.
Friend 1 raised with T's. guy call. Flop 833. Guy bet friend call. Turn 7 Guy bet, Friend AI - guy has K3o.
Friends 2 - Guy raised, Friend push with AKo. Guy calls with 4 and turn quads.
Me - Battle of the blinds. I'm in SB with K's. I hear the guy preparing chips to raise so I just complete. He raised - I push and he calls with A4o. flop 23J , turn 4 and of course a river 5.
Guy didn't even realize he won with a str.
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Posted Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:41 am GMT by TheSalche
Ermmm k, did you even watch Gold play? Obviously he was hitting a lot of flops but he knew exactly what he was doing. To win any MTT, ESPECIALLY one with that big of a field requires luck. That's why a lot of people called it a $10K freeroll.
Posted Mon Apr 02, 2007 2:27 am GMT by MrDarling
This was not intended to be another Jamie Gold discussion, The fact is that Jamie out last loads of players that were 10 - 50 times better then him.
The point of this (point less) discussion, is : -is there always someone in an MTT that seems to win all their races, usually win when they are a hugh under dog etc..
Usually, this are the less good players, since the better players avoid those races and attempt avoid putting all their money in when they are behind.
FWIW , I do not know how Gold got his big stack. But once he had it he played good big stack poker. Simply pushing every body out of the pot. Did he play great - not really. But by the time it got to the FT almost no body had enough chips to out bluff the big bluffer.
Posted Mon Apr 02, 2007 6:27 am GMT by snoogins47
When a thousand+ people keep calling coinflips, somebody's usually going to guess it right a ludicrous number of times in a row. The pseudo psychic who gets coin-tosses right 65% of the time is a maaassssive underdog to win the thing. He'll essentially never beat the luckiest joe-average of the field. He just doesn't have to be *quite* as ludicrously lucky to win as everybody else. Still needs to be ludicrously lucky, though.
But what do you mean "designated winner?" If you're asking whether or not the 'luckiest' player in an MTT usually wins, despite lots of fun quibbling over what 'luckiest' means, the answer is yes.
How do you quantify a player as being "10-50 times greater?" If it's merely "has an expectation of 10x-50x" or something, there's a good chance that nobody was even 10x better than him. Surely almost no chance in the world anybody was anywhere near 50x. I'd be more confident in these numbers if I had actually seen him play, but I barely watched any of the broadcast.
Posted Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:57 pm GMT by exit music
Someone has to win all the coinflips, someone has to lose all the coinflips. It has nothing to do with the stars or alignment of planets.
Posted Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:09 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| exit music wrote: | | It has nothing to do with the stars or alignment of planets. |
Of course not. Instead, it's directly proportional to the daily perkiness of your friend's 18-year-old sister's breasts.
I love when a joke still has legs.
Posted Mon Apr 02, 2007 5:29 pm GMT by weirdofreek
| Quote: | Guy raised, Friend push with AKo. Guy calls with 4 and turn quads.
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| Quote: | In the first game the guy would call raises with A9o and then call the AI with 2ndPTK against an AK and win.
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| Quote: | Me - Battle of the blinds. I'm in SB with K's. I hear the guy preparing chips to raise so I just complete. He raised - I push and he calls with A4o. flop 23J , turn 4 and of course a river 5.
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| Quote: | Usually, this are the less good players, since the better players avoid those races and attempt avoid putting all their money in when they are behind.
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If the first three are true and so is the last then you and your friends should reevaluate your play. I am not saying you are a bad player your posts here show otherwise but it does seem you are more than willing to go broke in tourneys w/ 1pr or AK on a missed flop too often. In only 1 example that I read were you and your friends actually ahead when the money went in.
Posted Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:44 am GMT by MrDarling
In all fairness I am not the best MTT player in the world. How ever, from the above, only the K's was me, and the money went in PF . I'm sure every one will agree that this is the best move, especially since I had around 9XBB at the time.
Also from the above, my friends AK vs 4's went AI pf. (my 'friend' someone I drove with to the game, I don't consider the world best player as well, when the dude raise his 4's, my friend reraise him but leaving a silly small amount of chips behind - instead of pushing)
From the above, the AK vs A9 it was indeed post flop but I was not involved in the hand. It was just a read on the player.
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