Tournament Decision on River |
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Posted Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:30 pm GMT by Ciso_B
Okay, I played 2/3 mtts at same time when this hand occurs, so no particular notes on the opponent.
Full Tilt Poker Game #2126083677: $40,000 Guarantee (15620755), Table 8 - 150/300 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:23:17 ET - 2007/04/02
Seat 1: P0KERPR0 (4,275)
Seat 2: FISHFORLIFE (19,035)
Seat 3: twoblackaces (3,705)
Seat 4: bowser125 (7,337)
Seat 5: orion_sharp (10,530)
Seat 6: Ciso (11,465)
Seat 7: Bad_reflex (11,832)
Seat 8: dsindy (6,745)
Seat 9: jrbick (5,696)
P0KERPR0 antes 25
FISHFORLIFE antes 25
twoblackaces antes 25
bowser125 antes 25
orion_sharp antes 25
Ciso antes 25
Bad_reflex antes 25
dsindy antes 25
jrbick antes 25
Ciso posts the small blind of 150
Bad_reflex posts the big blind of 300
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ciso  
dsindy folds
jrbick calls 300
P0KERPR0 folds
FISHFORLIFE has 15 seconds left to act
FISHFORLIFE is sitting out
FISHFORLIFE has timed out
FISHFORLIFE folds
twoblackaces folds
bowser125 folds
orion_sharp calls 300
Ciso calls 150
Bad_reflex checks
*** FLOP ***   
Ciso checks
Bad_reflex checks
jrbick checks
orion_sharp checks
*** TURN *** 
Ciso checks
Bad_reflex checks
FISHFORLIFE has returned
jrbick checks
orion_sharp bets 900
Ciso calls 900
Bad_reflex folds
jrbick folds
*** RIVER *** 
Ciso checks
orion_sharp bets 9,305, and is all in
Ciso: big bet
Ciso has 15 seconds left to act
Ciso: for a flush , it would be alot
Ciso calls 9,305
do you call ?
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Posted Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:53 pm GMT by TheSalche
I think we can safely fold here, but calling isn't horrible. Let's look at what villain does on each street.
Preflop: He limps on the button behind a limper, I think this discredits hands like big pairs, and big aces, AK and AQ. He could still have other PPs, suited connectors, weak aces (AT in particular), KQ, KJ, etc.
Flop: Checks behind everybody, what does that say? Either he has a monster or he's looking for that free card. Monster hand is either KQ or 44 here, I don't think an average opponent would check here though with a monster because of how draw heavy the board is, but people are idiots, anywho.
Turn: Finally decides to bet after being checked to twice. His range is basically the same as on the flop here ... either he's got a flush, AT, 44, KQ or maybe KJ.
River: OP checks three times and villain overpushes against one of the few stacks that can take him out. He has plenty of chips and theres not much reason for him to overbet bluff the river here. He could've easily thrown in a value-bet bluff, or a 3/4 - PSB.
If villain thought OP was drawing with the ace of spades (which is a possibility) wouldn't he just bet out half the pot or something, seems ridiculous to do what he did.
Of course it could be a misclick since FTP has that neat little all-in button. Hmmm
Posted Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:34 pm GMT by Jefecaminador
Or maybe he thinks the pot is too small for a value bet to be that... well valuable. So he goes for the massive overbet hoping you'd call. I think its safe to assume he either has absolutely nothing or a flush.
Posted Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:35 pm GMT by Ensano
given the action and what relatively little you've invested it's a safe fold...
Posted Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:47 pm GMT by Ciso_B
I called it right, he had J-6, really couldnt see flush moving all in there, since ive shown weakness.
Side note- this was the daily $40 k double stack on Full Tilt, just busted out in 12th place. 3-3 vs 7-7, I was short. I even had a good stack for a while late on, but lost to a yucky river on 1 hand and lost about 1/4 on a bluff. Sigh- Beginning to loathe this game.
Posted Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:16 am GMT by fiezk
Very nice call.
I would insta-fold that any day of the week without a strong read. There's absolutely no reason for him to bet that big on a bluff. A half pot bet would get rid of any draw/combo-draw, which are quite likely considering the board and action.
Was it a quick decision, or did you have to think about it?
Posted Thu Apr 05, 2007 11:27 pm GMT by Ciso_B
probably about 10-20 seconds.
Posted Fri Apr 06, 2007 12:09 am GMT by TheSalche
| Ciso_B wrote: | I called it right, he had J-6, really couldnt see flush moving all in there, since ive shown weakness.
Side note- this was the daily $40 k double stack on Full Tilt, just busted out in 12th place. 3-3 vs 7-7, I was short. I even had a good stack for a while late on, but lost to a yucky river on 1 hand and lost about 1/4 on a bluff. Sigh- Beginning to loathe this game. |
Any justification for his play? What would need to be different here for you to think more/actually fold?
Posted Fri Apr 06, 2007 12:15 am GMT by Ciso_B
tbh- cos I check called the turn,selling a weak hand its unlikely im going to fold on that river simply because- if he bets tiny , im going to call cos my hand is too strong , if he does that all in , I made my mind up that its a bluff cos he cant seriously think im calling that.
Maybe 1/2 the pot will make me think hes lookin for the call and i might drop suspecting a value bet. Its not orthodox to check my hand on the turn as i dont gain information too well by checking here. Playing this way gets you in alot of marginal spots and sometimes it works well you can gain alot of chips, if you're wrong tho- your screwed.
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