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Posted Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:43 am GMT by MrDarling
Hand from last night session.
Reads on villain. My 2nd hand in the table, he has short stack and min raise from the co. The bttn called and I reraise from the SB with AQo. BB called and villain push. I decide the min raise / push is a monster (even for his short stack) and fold. BB call with A8s. Villain had AJs.
few hands later villain calls a BTN raise from the SB with A8s. flop his 8JQ. Villain min bet BTN call. Turn a 5. Villain pot bet BTN calls. River 8 villain c/r AI.
Any way , here is the hand in question :
Full Tilt Poker Game #2138158245: Table Idledale (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:01:38 ET - 2007/04/04
Seat 1: caiylb ($10.55)
Seat 2: hero ($26.25)
Seat 3: vinnyc28 ($24)
Seat 4: Kris Bro ($25)
Seat 5: rossv123 ($34.20)
Seat 6: gin_james27 ($42.60)
caiylb posts the small blind of $0.10
hero posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero  
vinnyc28 folds
Kris Bro folds
rossv123 folds
gin_james27 calls $0.25
caiylb calls $0.15
hero raises to $1.25
gin_james27 calls $1
caiylb folds
*** FLOP ***   
hero bets $1.25
gin_james27 calls $1.25
*** TURN *** 
hero checks
gin_james27 bets $5.25
First, what do you think about the turn check?
And, since I did check, do I now have to call?
Danny
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Posted Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:21 am GMT by Muck
| MrDarling wrote: |
*** FLOP ***
hero bets $1.25
gin_james27 calls $1.25
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I'd bet somewhere closer to $1.80-$2.00 here.
| MrDarling wrote: |
*** TURN ***
hero checks
gin_james27 bets $5.25
First, what do you think about the turn check?
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I'd have lead with a bet on the Turn then folded if he re-raised. It looks like you might be behind here or he has a 6 or heart.
| MrDarling wrote: |
And, since I did check, do I now have to call?
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You never have to do anything  If I was you I'd get out of this hand. With AK-AJ I like to take a pot down quickly either from a pre-flop raise or flop bet.
When a player keeps cold calling I get nervous.
Posted Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:24 am GMT by odlozilik
I don't like your turn check, now you don't know, where you stand and have hard decision to make. I think he is probably on draw or has a weaker ace, thinking you raised with PP, or simply bluffing. Anyway, I would fold now, if not being in mood to gamble, you still didn't invest too much in this hand.
Posted Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:42 am GMT by Ensano
I don't like the weak flop bet... with almost 3$ in the pot lead out for 2$...
turn... lead out for 1/3 (4$) pot again and fold to a raise...
if he just calls that then river is all read dependant.. prob blocking bet of 5$ and hope he fold or at least just calls...
DISCLAIMER... very passsive players who just c/c all streets are who take the most money from me...
Posted Thu Apr 05, 2007 11:28 am GMT by MrDarling
I noticed the flop bet was to small a min to late. I usually bet a little bit more then half now a days. Its enough to out price most draws and most players will chase regardless of the bet size.
I'm still not sure about the best way to play this. But the way I played it, I think a fold is the easy decision.
Of course, at the time, I was planing to fold, but it just didn't happen
Problem is, if he called the flop, he will call most turns bet (remember, we labeled him a fish) Even with a weak A. So then we face the same problem on the river.
Posted Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:31 pm GMT by exit music
| MrDarling wrote: |
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero
vinnyc28 folds
Kris Bro folds
rossv123 folds
gin_james27 calls $0.25
caiylb calls $0.15
hero raises to $1.25
gin_james27 calls $1
caiylb folds
*** FLOP ***
hero bets $1.25
gin_james27 calls $1.25
*** TURN ***
hero checks
gin_james27 bets $5.25
First, what do you think about the turn check?
And, since I did check, do I now have to call?
Danny |
I hope you see the real problem here, you played this hand very passively and because of that, you don't really know where you stand in the hand. You have to bet at least 3/4 pot. I will also go ahead and make another big-ish bet on the turn, somewhere around $7-8. If villain calls or raises you can happily check/fold on the river. Do you really think he would value bet a weaker Ace on the river if you bet out twice when he could just get a free showdown? So by betting both streets, this hand is pretty easy to play. If you check-fold on the turn, you are giving up on a pot that if yours more often than not.
Posted Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:43 pm GMT by khaosanroad
Drop that hand like 1st hour French. The pot is not worth fighting for. OOP with a possible made flush? let it go. sooner or later you'll have the nut flush draw and he'll pay you off.
Posted Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:14 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Bet more on the flop (slightly more than half the pot is good, or something like 3/4 pot), and probably make a feeler bet on the turn, but checking might be correct against certain players.
As played, that's an easy fold out of position on the turn.
Posted Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:29 pm GMT by snoogins47
Me no likey the turn check.
I might throw in a call here, if only since hero's line so far carried a big sign with it that said "BET THE TURN WITH ANY TWO CARDS" to the opponent. Call and block-bet the river, or call and check-pray the river, planning to fold to any reasonable bet. You've really gotta bet again on the turn.
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