Flop nut straight. What would you raise? |
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Posted Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:06 am GMT by zaxxon23
I'm chip leader, and have wandered into a nut straight on the flop. I've had a problem recently of betting too much in these situations, mostly by going all in. I've played solid/agressive, and have a table image of raising more then my fair share and taking lots of pots. In this situation, I want to make sure that no one has good odds to draw to a higher straight, but I don't know if the all in move is right.
Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25)
9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: ($24.05 in chips)
Seat 2: ($20.35 in chips)
Seat 3: ($4.95 in chips)
Seat 4: ($14.05 in chips) BUTTON
Seat 5: ($26.10 in chips) SMALL
Seat 6: ($31.95 in chips) BIG
Seat 7: ($33.15 in chips)
Seat 8: ($26.65 in chips)
Seat 9: zaxxon23 ($56.40 in chips)
Seat 5: posts small blind $0.10
Seat 6: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to zaxxon23  
Seat 7: raises $0.50 to $0.75
Seat 8: calls $0.75
zaxxon23: calls $0.75
Seat 1: calls $0.75
Seat 2: folds
Seat 3: calls $0.75
Seat 4: folds
Seat 5: folds
Seat 6: calls $0.50
*** FLOP ***   
Seat 6: checks
Seat 7: bets $2.75
Seat 8: calls $2.75
zaxxon23:
What to do?
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Posted Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:29 am GMT by exit music
Call
Posted Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:02 am GMT by Phil14312
Raise to 10
Posted Wed Apr 11, 2007 3:01 am GMT by MrDarling
Fold PF.
The PF raiser bet (means nothing) but you got one cold caller - bet the pot.
If they already started played back at you and seen you fold to a reraise or seen you showing crap at Showdown, try over betting the pot. Make it look like a steal .
Posted Wed Apr 11, 2007 4:25 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Min raise or raise to like $7, not $10. Why blow them off the hand with no flush draw? Massage that pot.
Posted Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:41 am GMT by Phil14312
| xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: | | Min raise or raise to like $7, not $10. Why blow them off the hand with no flush draw? Massage that pot. |
We have a preflop raiser who may an overpair or a set, a caller, and then us. The caller is likely on a draw, lets make him pay. Our raise puts the preflop raiser in a tough spot with an overpair. Lets start building a big pot. There a bunch of cards that may kill our action on the turn: 7, T, 9, 8 are all scare cards for a preflop raiser. So lets raise now and hope to get all the stacks in by the turn.
Posted Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:48 pm GMT by exit music
I was thinking about this hand as I was trying to sleep last night and I don't really like my call anymore.
I want my raise to be big enough that if both players call, the pot is bigger than each of their stacks... I'm thinking around the $8.75 range. This lays the first guy 3:1 to call, which seems like a good price, but you are really forcing a mistake from TP, a set, 2P, overpair, or any kind of draw. And if they both call there will be about $36 in the pot which leaves them both comitted. $10 does seem a little bit too much IMO.
Posted Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:34 pm GMT by AHBrownell
I like a min raise or call here. I think that if you wait until the turn to raise - it will be a pot worth winning, and more likely, your opponents may feel committed and be more willing to get all in.
Posted Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:41 pm GMT by Jauron
My normal style means I'm pretty aggresive but I will slow play flops with the nuts in most multiway pots on non scary boards such as this one. I like the smooth call here if you are even moderately aggresive normally. It does a couple of things, shows you are willing to check a strong hand and also allows the person that first checked to call or raise. We have good position and if the board starts to get scary on the turn we can push. If villian had bet a lot less I'd raise but the bet is strong enough to do the job IMO.
The pot is going to be pretty big with our call and we can usually find a price on the turn to get villians stuck a bit. I don't slow play alot but this is a spot I really consider it.
Posted Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:15 pm GMT by IheartDONKS
I would most likely raise this flop. See what happens from there.
Posted Mon Apr 16, 2007 4:45 pm GMT by golddog
I think I call or min-raise. Don't forget, you have someone behind who may want to pick up the 'dead' money or actually have an overpair or want to raise to test where people are, and might do your work for you.
Although this may be a case of FPS. Like Jauron said though, this is about as non-threating a board as you could hope for.
Pretty good chance they're all going in there on the turn, regardless.
Posted Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:52 am GMT by jeffonline
| Phil14312 wrote: |
There a bunch of cards that may kill our action on the turn: 7, T, 9, 8 are all scare cards for a preflop raiser. So lets raise now and hope to get all the stacks in by the turn. |
This is is the way for me.
Posted Wed Apr 18, 2007 3:00 pm GMT by Jauron
A 10 is probably the worst card that can come off on the turn, you aren't gonna loose a set no matter what you do anyways. Sometimes you just have to risk a card comming off IMO.
The good news is the way it was played so far it's pretty hard to play it wrong. If you can't slow play this flop I gotta wonder why even play this hand?
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