What hand is the most costly to play in texas hold em? |
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Posted Thu Apr 12, 2007 5:12 pm GMT by zeroswarm
Its a simple question but the answer is not quite so simple.
7 2 off is supposedly the worst hand in the game but I swear I have lost less real money with that particular hand than with several others. I'm not sure I haven't actually made money with it!
The thing with 7 2 is that it actually costs you very little when you have to put it down. Its a very easy lay down in almost any circumstance.
My original iworst hand/i was JJ. This hand is a complete nightmare.
You raise pre flop, get a caller or two, watch the flop come down and inevitably see a Q, K or A on the board. The trouble with JJ is that after the flop you seldom know where you are and when you bet and get called/raised the only thing you know is that your beat!
JJ is now in the process of being replaced as my worst hand by A Q.
For some unknown reason A Q gets dealt to me an improbable number of times. Strangely I almost always seem to miss the flop with it and end up betting with basically A high. Naturally I'm losing with this hand most of the time. It seems like A Q is the hand that never hits!
Anyhow, I was just wondering what everyone elses worst hands are? And why?
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Posted Thu Apr 12, 2007 5:29 pm GMT by exit music
Middle pairs are usually the toughest hands to play, 77-JJ. Any dominated hand will lose you money if you don't play really well - those KQ-KJ-QJ hands that get overplayed by donkeys time and time again
Posted Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:03 pm GMT by MrDarling
I do not discriminate between hands and try to lose the same amount of money with all - so far, with great success.
Posted Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:23 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Until I learned not to overplay them, QJ, KJ, AJ, KQ, and AQ were probably very costly for me. Overpairs, especially TT-QQ, give many inexperienced NL players problems because they also overplay them.
Posted Thu Apr 12, 2007 7:18 pm GMT by zeroswarm
| xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: | | Until I learned not to overplay them, QJ, KJ, AJ, KQ, and AQ were probably very costly for me. Overpairs, especially TT-QQ, give many inexperienced NL players problems because they also overplay them. |
Does that mean I'm overplaying the flop with A Q when I don't hit?
A Q is like the best hand I generally see all night. I actually think my hands are continually shit for some reason or another.
If someone can tell me why that is I would like to know.
Posted Thu Apr 12, 2007 7:26 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
I always open push with J 4 . That has cost me a ton. 
Posted Thu Apr 12, 2007 7:33 pm GMT by snoogins47
XX in the big blind. Second place is XX in the small blind.
This is sort of a strange question. We're trying to make sure we don't play any actually costly hands, that's sorta the nature of the beast. However yeah it's probably hands like middle pairs and big-ish gapped cards that cause trouble for most of us since they're more likely to be played and handled poorly than most.
And you can't have J4. J4 is my hand. We call it the Dread Pirate Roberts. And I don't remember why.
Posted Thu Apr 12, 2007 8:28 pm GMT by jeffonline
K8-2s because if you do flush, there may be a higher flush, If a K hits your out kicked, If an A falls that gives an over pair to worry about, If you hit with the lower card its normally the 2nd or 3rd pair, if its top pair you could be in bigger trouble to over pairs because you think your in front. If you play this hand aggressively and someone looks you up you generally have to fold or loose at the showdown, If you play passively and don’t hit the flop, you have to fold. Hard to play and even harder to come out in front. But still in the right position against all the odds on some tables where I think I can out play my opponents post-flop for a lucrative pot, I try.
Posted Fri Apr 13, 2007 9:48 am GMT by JMX360
AQ by far, for me at least.
Posted Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:12 pm GMT by efram
JJ for me.
I always play this hand too aggressively and need to learn to fish for a set or dump it when overs come with resistance.
Posted Fri Apr 13, 2007 2:00 pm GMT by Sid Lambert
shortly after analyzing my stats i found that i was losing a ton from small blind. I'd limp into an unraised pot w/ almost anything. After I had gotten much more discriminating from this position, it has plugged a big hole in my game. The problem is that even when you do hit a flop, you are still out of position and chances are your kicker sucks.
Posted Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:10 pm GMT by tame_deuces
| Sid Lambert wrote: | | shortly after analyzing my stats i found that i was losing a ton from small blind. I'd limp into an unraised pot w/ almost anything. After I had gotten much more discriminating from this position, it has plugged a big hole in my game. The problem is that even when you do hit a flop, you are still out of position and chances are your kicker sucks. |
Yes, completion standards from the small blind is usually one of the 'big' leaks in a game. But it doesn't have the ZING of 'Omg, should I fold AA to turn aggression?!' type scenarios which aren't really that big issues. 
Posted Fri Apr 13, 2007 9:05 pm GMT by shorn7
QJo by a landslide...
Posted Fri Apr 13, 2007 9:43 pm GMT by MasterMike
I dont think i have a particular hand that i can think of that i lose a lot with... in SB i used to just lose all my money calling with ATC unless it was 72.
I guess J 10 because of straight possibilites and when you hit the kicker is some dog doo doo
Posted Sat Apr 14, 2007 10:30 am GMT by Moon_Child
AJ AQ and any mid pairs
Posted Sun Apr 15, 2007 12:23 am GMT by golddog
Well, second-best, rather obviously, I think.
Posted Sun Apr 15, 2007 4:45 pm GMT by mortaleclipse
| shorn7 wrote: | | QJo by a landslide... |
Word on that, the King/Jack always kills it for me
Posted Sun Apr 15, 2007 6:26 pm GMT by ToyMachine22122
AK
I maybe once won a hand with big slick at the showdown. Other than that any wins I've had with it were from bluffs or something of that nature.
My favorite hand is AT, after which is A2. The A in there really helps because it's always great not to have to worry about them having a pair just a little higher than yours or a kicker problem, but the number card makes those hands easy to throw away when the time comes.
Posted Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:45 pm GMT by Jauron
In my vegas trips I lost more money from the BB in limped pots when I flopped 2 pair or middle or low straights. Damn cold decks.
Posted Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:09 pm GMT by gumbie
According to pt 65s is my biggest loser.
But 54s is a winner and I play them the same way, so go figure.
Posted Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:35 pm GMT by Johny
I think it has more to do with playing hands properly and not necessarily what hands can be the costly.
Posted Wed May 09, 2007 10:59 am GMT by LeafsFan1122
| ToyMachine22122 wrote: | AK
I maybe once won a hand with big slick at the showdown. Other than that any wins I've had with it were from bluffs or something of that nature. |
Only won once with AK at showdown...ever?
Posted Wed May 09, 2007 11:30 am GMT by Ensano
| ToyMachine22122 wrote: | | AK |
AKo is a big loser for me also... damn you TPTK...
Posted Wed May 09, 2007 11:54 am GMT by MrDarling
| shorn7 wrote: | | QJo by a landslide... |
Strange, QJ might become my favorite live hand.
Twice it double me up.
first time :
steal attempt for the CO, btn calls.
Flop is QJJ , I only have double then whats in the pot and am trying to think hoe to get it all in. In the mean while every one saying how I have a big hand because my hand is shaking. I laugh as well, put a small bet in and BTN push me AI with AT.
Next hand (different game), I'm in the SB and short again with QJo. Blinds are 150/300 and all I have is 2K. 3 limpers and I decide to complete and make a move.
Flop T86. I push. I figure every one is weak, I have 2 over pairs and a gut draw.
MP calls, BTN calls.
Ouch.
Turn a 7. MP pushes (only 850 more)
BTN take a long time and call.
we flip cards
MP holds A's
LP J8
river is my 9 - I take main pot and btn with his horrible play take the side pot (he went on to win the all thing)
never seen A's played as bad before.
Posted Wed May 09, 2007 3:30 pm GMT by Gogie
I don't know if it's cost me a lot of money, but I hate AQos. I think it was Jennifer Harmon who once said she never plays AQos.
My favourite hand is AA on the button  .
Posted Thu May 10, 2007 2:39 pm GMT by UrAteUp
| Johny wrote: | | I think it has more to do with playing hands properly and not necessarily what hands can be the costly. |
QTF...glad someone said it. I have made money with 72o and lost with it too (usually not much because I muck it often), but the point is if you can convince the other players you have the nuts....
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