K2 off from BB - Floped Top pair + board pairs step by step |
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Posted Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:51 pm GMT by efram
What do you do here, check or bet?
If bet, how much? Pot is 300.
No reads on villian mainly because I haven't been
paying close attention due to multi tabling.
PokerStars Game #9409297057: Tournament #47776801, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2007/04/13 - 22:51:52 (ET)
Table '47776801 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 5: azmodius (1650 in chips)
Seat 6: KCkidChet (6960 in chips)
Seat 9: Efram (4890 in chips)
KCkidChet: posts small blind 75
Efram: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Efram  
azmodius: folds
KCkidChet: calls 75
Efram: checks
*** FLOP ***   
KCkidChet: checks
Efram ?
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Posted Sat Apr 14, 2007 12:29 am GMT by MrDarling
Battle of the blinds I always lead here. 1/2 - 2/3 the pot.
If he calls or raise then I have to evaluate taking into account the way he plays.
I'm not going broke here with no kicker on a paired board.
Posted Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:18 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Defintely bet. I also vote for about 150-200. If he calls, I probably hope for a cheap showdown.
Posted Sat Apr 14, 2007 4:16 am GMT by snoogins47
Checking behind might be a viable option here actually. The chances he has a hand that can call your bet that you're ahead of are... quite slim. Also, given the circumstances giving a free card is very rarely a death sentence.
I think I give him at least one more card to pair up and lots of incentive to fire with nothing and check behind, though this makes things tricky when he bets twice on the big streets. I'm not totally sure though: when he's got some smaller PP he might call a flop bet, but run away screaming to a turn bet if another overcard falls or he gets counterfeit.
I think inducing the bluff and making him more apt to play bluff-catcher makes checking behind superior but it's tough.
Posted Sat Apr 14, 2007 12:17 pm GMT by Phil14312
| snoogins47 wrote: | Checking behind might be a viable option here actually. The chances he has a hand that can call your bet that you're ahead of are... quite slim. Also, given the circumstances giving a free card is very rarely a death sentence.
I think I give him at least one more card to pair up and lots of incentive to fire with nothing and check behind, though this makes things tricky when he bets twice on the big streets. I'm not totally sure though: when he's got some smaller PP he might call a flop bet, but run away screaming to a turn bet if another overcard falls or he gets counterfeit.
I think inducing the bluff and making him more apt to play bluff-catcher makes checking behind superior but it's tough. |
Good post, in other words, what hands can he call with that we are not usually losing to...basically a flush draw. I think metagame here says to check and show it down somehow so that your opponents don't think everytime you check means you missed.
Posted Sun Apr 15, 2007 3:44 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Now that I've had time to sit and think and not be a moron, I agree with snoogins. Giving a free card is very unlikely to hurt us here and much more likely to win us a small pot, which is what we would like.
Posted Sun Apr 15, 2007 4:42 am GMT by efram
good thoughts, which is why I posted this hand.
I bet the pot and honestly don't recall why.
I was clearly not thinking while I played this hand, and felt I might have mis played it, we'll see as the steps play out. As is, here's the turn action
KCkidChet: checks
Efram: bets 300
KCkidChet: calls 300
*** TURN *** 
KCkidChet: checks
Efram ?
Posted Sun Apr 15, 2007 4:59 am GMT by Jernej Zorec
i check here
Posted Sun Apr 15, 2007 1:24 pm GMT by MrDarling
The main reason I do not like a check here is that our hands is not that strong. If he have a 4 or a stronger K, we will have to pay him up every time a blank fall on turn or river due to our sophisticated play.
If he is very aggressive, I might attempt a check (also, because his check might actually be a sign of strength) but other wise I'm very happy taking it down now.
However, if I had a 4, I might check to let him catch a hand or induce a bluff.
On this turn I check behind. And call a reasonable river bet.
Posted Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:02 am GMT by jeffonline
Flush draw on a flop paired board, us betting him calling. I think you should make one good try to close this down, If called you may get a free look at the river, If re-raised I would fold. I would make a pot size bet. I believe a check here will encourage a river bet no matter what falls.
Posted Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:26 am GMT by Phil14312
How about a check and then check/fold on the river.
What hands can we possibly beat? We tie with some unlikely K/low kicker hands. The obvious draw just got there. Any 4 already has us. Unless he floated with air here you are usually smoked.
Posted Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:41 am GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| Phil14312 wrote: | How about a check and then check/fold on the river.
What hands can we possibly beat? We tie with some unlikely K/low kicker hands. The obvious draw just got there. Any 4 already has us. Unless he floated with air here you are usually smoked. |
+1
Posted Mon Apr 16, 2007 5:59 am GMT by efram
Well, pot is 900 and my thought processes were basically shutdown for some reason. I believe I was pretty tired wich explains my next move better than any other. I agree, a check here is probly the best play but for some reason I wanted to bloat the pot with someone who is willing to call bets on a scary board like this. Sooo,
*** TURN ***
KCkidChet: checks
Efram: bets 300
KCkidChet: raises 900 to 1200
Efram: ?
any move other than folding here?
Posted Mon Apr 16, 2007 6:26 am GMT by MrDarling
| efram wrote: | | any move other than folding here? |
No, I think you're done with this.
Posted Sat Apr 21, 2007 6:46 pm GMT by fiezk
I like the bet. Well, not the size of the bet, but the fact that you bet. A bet of 200 is more likely to be called by the hands we want to get called by. It's a battle of the blinds situation, and I can see villain calling with any moderately high club here. You are very likely ahead of a random hand, but any club has 8 outs, so it's also a matter of protecting your hand.
When you get raised it's a situation where villain either has a very strong hand or nothing. Fold unless you have a strong feeling he's on a bluff. Remember, you probably have to call another bet on the river, which would mean committing a large portion of your stack with a marginal holding.
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