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Nut Flush draw + pair facing a c/r



Posted Sat Apr 14, 2007 12:45 am GMT by MrDarling
What do you do?

Villain is a simple 1st level bluffer. Ie he will stab the pot on the turn if no one bet the flop and will fire a 2nd bullet on the river. But no complicated stuff.

Full Tilt Poker Game #2205793046: Table Faiss (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:26:39 ET - 2007/04/14
Seat 1: xxTHECOOLERxx ($20.10)
Seat 2: miaopan87 ($7.10)
Seat 3: arcfart ($17.45)
Seat 4: tricsta18 ($5.60)
Seat 5: hero ($35.70)
Seat 6: highrollinn ($19.05)
highrollinn posts the small blind of $0.10
xxTHECOOLERxx posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero King of ClubsEight of Clubs
miaopan87 has 15 seconds left to act
miaopan87 folds
arcfart calls $0.25
tricsta18 folds
hero calls $0.25
highrollinn folds
xxTHECOOLERxx checks
*** FLOP *** Ten of ClubsAce of ClubsEight of Diamonds
xxTHECOOLERxx checks
arcfart checks
hero bets $0.45
xxTHECOOLERxx calls $0.45
arcfart raises to $0.90

Hero?


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Posted Sat Apr 14, 2007 2:57 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Since you have position I might prefer just calling here, because with the effective stack sizes, a reraise that fails to buy a free card could make our situation very ugly on the turn.

Alternatively, you could make a big reraise, but with not that much in the pot it seems a little silly, because there is not that much fold equity.



Posted Sat Apr 14, 2007 12:47 pm GMT by efram
I prefer a call here. Villian likes his hand and very likely has us beat here, possibly Ax or maybe is changing gears and getting creative with the re-raise bluff. With the min-raise its hard to tell. Based on your read this is unlikely, but it seems like he's building the pot or wanting to.
Call and hope you hit the nuts on the turn. With close to 4:1 pot odds and with 9 clear outs to the nuts, ez call. I don't like a re-raise here because it makes it more difficult on later streets if you don't hit your club. Now that villian has shown us he likes his hand and is likely ahead. Keep the pot small until we make the nuts.



Posted Sat Apr 14, 2007 6:10 pm GMT by MrDarling
Yeah, wish I had more sense in this hand.
Normally I do not play my draws so aggressively. Problem is , I figured now is when I am ahead of TPTK, by the turn I lose all my equity.

What I forgot was that this was not a raised pot. So chances are his hand is not a TPTK. He's actually playing it like flush draw or a badly played set / 2 pairs (giving the opportunity for a free card)

So sadly I reraised, or pushed (the money got in the middle) and he had top 2 pairs. I never improved.

Bad move.



Posted Sun Apr 15, 2007 5:30 pm GMT by snoogins47
It's not really that bad to push. Against any reasonable range pushing is probably +EV... basically takes like, any non zero fold equity to make it so.

With this big of a draw though, pushing the middle player out of the pot is probably bad news, especially the times he's got two smaller clubs.

In position and a chance to keep it 3handed, calling is probably best, but it definitely can make future streets more complicated and as such, I don't totally hate raising again here... it just sucks that his flop C/R was so small hehe






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