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Posted Sat Apr 14, 2007 4:43 am GMT by Eusebio
Villain has been hyperaggressive, raising alomst every SB against me...
Full Tilt Poker Game #2206759847: $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go (16621422), Table 1 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 4:51:01 ET - 2007/04/14
Seat 3: ds07 (1,175)
Seat 4: O JohnDoe O (2,980)
Seat 5: Eusebio1210 (4,845)
O JohnDoe O posts the small blind of 60
Eusebio1210 posts the big blind of 120
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Eusebio1210  
ds07 folds
O JohnDoe O raises to 240
Eusebio1210 calls 120
decided to trap.. if i flop and ace or a 9, he would lose lot of chips
*** FLOP ***   
thought this was a good flop for me, both holecardsare still "active" and i thought he something like K4
O JohnDoe O bets 360
Eusebio1210 calls 360
probably a raise here would be the best move...
*** TURN *** 
that deuce probably didnt help him very much and my both of my holecards were still in play
O JohnDoe O bets 480
Eusebio1210 calls 480
*** RIVER *** 
O JohnDoe O bets 600
Nothat was a bad card if my read was correct.
Eusebio1210 has 15 seconds left to act
iam getting almost 4,5:1 and if i take down the pot i would be in a commanding chiplead
Eusebio1210 calls 600
*** SHOW DOWN ***
O JohnDoe O shows   (a pair of Eights)
Eusebio1210 shows (a pair of Eights)
Eusebio1210 wins the pot (3,360) with a pair of Eights
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3,360 | Rake 0
Board:
Seat 3: ds07 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: O JohnDoe O (small blind) showed and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 5: Eusebio1210 (big blind) showed and won (3,360) with a pair of Eights
Regardless the outcome... was it stupid or a good decission based on my thoughts?
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Posted Sat Apr 14, 2007 5:13 am GMT by Jernej Zorec
well i dont mind it, HU A high can often take it down
u followed your read i dont mind that
personally i'd prolly reraise on turn if i belived i was ahead
Posted Sat Apr 14, 2007 9:42 am GMT by MrDarling
Risky.
I would probably raise the flop or turn. If he happened to hit one of his weak cards you would never know, unless you had a specific read on his betting pattern .
Posted Sat Apr 14, 2007 10:35 am GMT by Yozman
great play, always follow ur initial read and go with it
Posted Sat Apr 14, 2007 12:45 pm GMT by supafrey
Guesswork.
I hope you had a read.
Posted Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:00 pm GMT by Eusebio
@Yozman
thanks 
@read
He was firing at every pot, if headsup! He would not play that aggressive in multiwaypots and he wasslowplaying pretty much. most of the time, not everytime, he showed a strong hand, he let the other guy bet.
Because he fired preflop and on the turn, I was pretty sure i was ahead... then that 2 came and he bet again... i think its a psychological thing that you dont fire 2 bullets with a deuce in yourhand, so again i was sure i was ahead...
on the river he makes a bet that would leave him (if called)with enough chips to play some more pots...
the riverbet was actually the reason i called him, if he would raise all-in, i would probably not call.
Of course it could be a "call me"-bet too, but I showed with my calls that i have something... and he must have a monster to beat my two pair (which i am representing)... but he would slowplay everything even just a queen, so he cant have a hand, since he bet...
I have to admit, that on the turn i decided to set him up, if he wouldnt bet too much on the river, thats why i didnt raise... i wanted to see his cards, and show mine (i have automuck, so i am not tempted to show a hand) in combination with his... so he knows for the future that i will probably call him down with Ace-high, and stop raising me every single time... and he did stop
Posted Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:01 am GMT by supafrey
You sure you're not thinking all of those things post-hand? Did this go into your decision making during the hand, or just fit the facts afterwards?
it's a lot of guesswork. It's impossible to really "discuss".
Posted Sun Apr 15, 2007 1:40 pm GMT by Eusebio
Well what I have written there, is just a larger explanation of what goes through my head:
preflop:
"he is stealing again"
flop:
"he keeps firing, but why would he bet, when he likes to slowplay his monsters, hence.. i should have him beat about x% of the time..." (i figured that that x should be about 70% here )
turn:
"that card cant help him..."
river
"probably i am beat here, but here i let the odds decide... "(if i am right with my read and he had 2 livecards, he had about a 13% to hit... if so... oh well, woudnt be the first beat i take and i would still have about 3200 left
but if i am right... i would be a huge favorite to win the tourney...)
Its like one "thought" every street, it doesnt seem that much "mindwork" to me...
Posted Sun Apr 15, 2007 7:13 pm GMT by TheSalche
I think raising the flop is good for many reasons, but the biggest is pot size/pot control. If you raise the flop and he 3bets, you really can't call it. If you raise and he calls, you probably bought yourself a free river card. If you raise and he folds, you win.
The problem with calling down is that you're taking a very passive line in this hand and if you were playing a competent LAG (supa-type player) they might start not betting turns/rivers against you and thus you're not making any more chips.
Posted Tue Apr 17, 2007 11:40 am GMT by supafrey
haha you think I'm competent.
Brokeski
Posted Tue Apr 17, 2007 12:47 pm GMT by Dave B
Something I do occasionally vs a hyper-aggressive opponent (like you described) is decide preflop that I am going to war w/ A9 and will see the river regardless of the board (barring something like 4567 all hearts).
You have him outstacked, the blinds are low enough to play 10+ hands or so if you lose. The flop w/ Q high 2 8s is ideal to decide to follow through and call down w/ ace high, even if unimproved.
Now, next hand I might fold AJ if he plays the same, only because he now knows I am capable of calling w/ nothing.
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