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Posted Tue Apr 17, 2007 11:22 pm GMT by Ciso_B
PokerStars Game #9479454605: Tournament #47725836, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2007/04/18 - 00:18:47 (ET)
Table '47725836 46' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: pcb2000 (29913 in chips)
Seat 2: Neab (51396 in chips)
Seat 3: imadman (18882 in chips)
Seat 4: quaid745 (41503 in chips)
Seat 5: mister MH (40448 in chips)
Seat 6: fong9999 (13080 in chips)
Seat 7: JobeAnderson (38693 in chips)
Seat 8: JOSEKATE (9852 in chips)
Seat 9: mfox50 (12425 in chips)
pcb2000: posts the ante 50
Neab: posts the ante 50
imadman: posts the ante 50
quaid745: posts the ante 50
mister MH: posts the ante 50
fong9999: posts the ante 50
JobeAnderson: posts the ante 50
JOSEKATE: posts the ante 50
mfox50: posts the ante 50
Neab: posts small blind 300
imadman: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Neab  
quaid745: folds
mister MH: folds
fong9999: folds
JobeAnderson: folds
JOSEKATE: folds
mfox50: folds
pcb2000: calls 600
Neab: calls 300
imadman: checks
*** FLOP ***   
Neab: bets 1600
imadman: calls 1600
pcb2000: calls 1600
*** TURN *** 
Neab: bets 4800
imadman: folds
pcb2000: calls 4800
*** RIVER *** 
Neab: checks
pcb2000: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Neab: shows (a pair of Aces)
pcb2000: shows   (a pair of Aces - Jack+Ten+Nine kicker)
pcb2000 collected 16650 from pot
Neab said, "crikey"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 16650 | Rake 0
Board
Seat 1: pcb2000 (button) showed and won (16650) with a pair of Aces
Seat 2: Neab (small blind) showed and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 3: imadman (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 4: quaid745 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: mister MH folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: fong9999 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: JobeAnderson folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: JOSEKATE folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: mfox50 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
This hand is disgusting, he doesnt even make a play on the river, 16k chips goes to his stack from disgraceful playing. yuck...
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Posted Tue Apr 17, 2007 11:26 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
I saw the topic and thought you were playing supa HU again.
Posted Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:12 am GMT by jeffonline
I noted one of your other posts where you were looking for a new site to play, because Stars had been absolutely brutal to you. Now I understand.
Posted Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:14 am GMT by exit music
I bet he felt like a FKN genius after he called too
Posted Wed Apr 18, 2007 3:56 am GMT by Jernej Zorec
why do people complain when their bluffs dont work ?
Posted Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:16 am GMT by Eusebio
Why not fire a third bullet in this situation?
Its probably the only way you can win the hand, unless he has something like 6d5d. You have 7000 invested and a another bet of about 5-6k in the 16.000 Pot would not really affect your stack (which will be about 65x BB) and there is a fair chance he was on a draw and you take the pot... if he raises u all-in you can easily fold...
Posted Wed Apr 18, 2007 8:23 am GMT by MrDarling
Yeah it sucks. A 3rd bullet would have worked here (hell, even a min bet that looks like a blocking bet) However, if the guy is that damn, he would have played small pocket pair the same and then he would have called that small bet.
Posted Wed Apr 18, 2007 11:05 am GMT by wEbMaStEr
Sorry, I really don't see a problem with opps play here at all.
He's on the button, limps, flops an open ended straight draw calls a pot sized bet.
Ok, so the turn A gives him less outs, but also gives him huge implied odds should he hit. It's not a great call of another pot sized bet here but boy is he getting paid off if he hits.
He misses, you check he checks. Why would he make a play here? He has no reason to suspect you were betting with nothing.
Are you more angry at yourself here than you are at him?
Posted Wed Apr 18, 2007 11:20 am GMT by odlozilik
I agree with Webmaster. Simple question: Why did you bet on the flop? Just because you were the chip leader at the table? You had nothing, out of possition.
Posted Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:21 pm GMT by Ciso_B
He raises Ax on button = why I bet the flop.
I am not gonna fire again on river simply cos when playing against a sound player , and i have to assume he is - hes calling the turn bet with a hand, not a draw, and hes made his mind up to call me down. So thats why i didnt even think to bet the river.
2nd, Its not just that i lost the hand its the fact he played it sooo poorly, i mean there is so many better lines to take, he could have raised from the button , he could have re raised the flop, he could have folded the turn or RERAISED, he could have bet the river. Sorry, he played it really bad.
lord i wish i had Q-2  .
Posted Wed Apr 18, 2007 2:11 pm GMT by Phil14312
He flopped an open0ended dstraight draw, he called some reasonable bets on the flop and turn. He checked on the river when he missed. Its pretty standard poker here, I don't see what the big fuss is really.
I guess if he raised the turn and showed his cards it would've made you feel better to get outplayed?
Posted Wed Apr 18, 2007 2:54 pm GMT by Jauron
| wEbMaStEr wrote: | Sorry, I really don't see a problem with opps play here at all.
He's on the button, limps, flops an open ended straight draw calls a pot sized bet.
Ok, so the turn A gives him less outs, but also gives him huge implied odds should he hit. It's not a great call of another pot sized bet here but boy is he getting paid off if he hits.
He misses, you check he checks. Why would he make a play here? He has no reason to suspect you were betting with nothing.
Are you more angry at yourself here than you are at him? |
Don't really know about the implied odds when villian put nearly half his stack in to draw and I'm pretty sure he doesn't want to see a diamond on the end.
Pretty gross overall, especially when you consider ANY bet would have taken it down.
Posted Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:57 pm GMT by wEbMaStEr
| Jauron wrote: |
Don't really know about the implied odds when villian put nearly half his stack in to draw and I'm pretty sure he doesn't want to see a diamond on the end.
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He put 30% of his stack in. I don't think his turn call was particularly good, but if he hits and Ciso has any A then he's doubling up. If I were him i'm more worried about a full house than a river 
We see plays like these day in day out. They make poker profitable for the most part.
Personally I'd be more disgusted with his play if he has A2 or somesuch.
I've no problem with Ciso's play, no problem that he didn't fire on the river, I wouldn't have. Yes it sucks that you got outkicked with such crap, but hey ho, sh*t happens.
Oh yeah...
Raise preflop! 
Posted Wed May 16, 2007 7:16 pm GMT by TomJQKA
I can't say I like the way he played his straight draw considering its a tournament, but I don't like your play either.
You could have set up your bluffing better by raising before the flop. There was no pre-flop raise, so he could have nearly anything and chances are nobody has an Ace. It seems like you're trying to represent an ace on the flop and turn, but by not raising before the flop that play is kind of weak.
After he calls the pot-size bet on the flop, I'd have put him on a J or the straight or flush draw and he probably thinks you have a J, an 8 or you're bluffing. If you had raised before the flop, it would look like you have a A and if he still calls in that situation, he's much more likely on the draw or he hit two pair because he'd probably have to fold a pair of jacks against the threat of aces.
In either case, checking down to the river and then making a good size bet when the straight and flush doesn't happen would have been a better way to bluff at it.
Posted Thu May 17, 2007 9:59 am GMT by gumbie
I really don't know why on earth you are completing the SB with T2o
Posted Thu May 17, 2007 3:45 pm GMT by UrAteUp
| gumbie wrote: | | I really don't know why on earth you are completing the SB with T2o |
Doyle Brunson does it?
I think this was just a bad bluff gone wrong. Fold pre-flop.
Posted Thu May 17, 2007 6:34 pm GMT by Ciso_B
Nah I never fold my SB if noyones raised..Ever.
Posted Fri May 18, 2007 8:02 am GMT by gumbie
I think that is really quite a big leak.
Total garbage hands like t2o you should really fold almost all the time, and when you do choose to play them raising would be far better.
Posted Fri May 18, 2007 1:56 pm GMT by Ciso_B
Raising from sb to bb is obvious steal or people think you're stealing so why not just lead on the flop . When they miss they just fold, or maybe i can flop something.
I can't think of a reason to fold hands when im laid a nice price like you are when its folded round, its too passive to fold.
Surprised I am having this discussion, I would never advise anyone to fold their sb if its folded around if they have any ability what so ever to maneouvre post flop.
Perhaps in cash game it doesn't matter about your blind but tournaments blinds and antes are pretty vital ya know? Irrespective of the value/strength of your hand you have to win pots.
Posted Fri May 18, 2007 5:36 pm GMT by gumbie
| Ciso_B wrote: |
I can't think of a reason to fold hands when im laid a nice price like you are when its folded round, its too passive to fold.
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Look again at the hand you originally posted and try to think of a reason for folding, t2o in the sb.
I know from personal experience how running good can distort your perception and lead you to overestimate your abiltity to outplay ppl OOP.
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