How sure before it's a mistake to fold? |
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Posted Wed Apr 18, 2007 3:31 pm GMT by Jauron
I'm gonna try my best to not whine and cry here and I'm really interested in hearing some sort of game plan for the future but while in Vegas it seems like I ran into an awful lot of over pairs when I had QQ or KK.
I ended up folding KK to a J high flop vs a woman who seemed pretty pleased with her hand and I figured she wasn't gonna slow down so I either needed to push for $450 or fold for my $50 already invested. Her having me covered made me decide to drop it, she showed me 10 10 and I felt like an ass.
Now the bad calls. In a 3 day span my QQ ran into KK about 6 or 7 times to harmless boards and we got the money in most of the time on the turn. My KK ran into AA about 5 or 6 times as well OR got whacked by a set of 10's a few times. Again pretty harmless boards and these people treated TPNK like it was worth their stack.
So, my sans my bitching, at how sure do you have to be your beat by an over pair to want to fold to non scary boards when players are this stubborn with TP?
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Posted Wed Apr 18, 2007 4:14 pm GMT by AHBrownell
I think there are other options to getting into a raising war for your whole stack OR folding.
When you aren't sure if you are beat or not, slow down and try to see a cheap river. One thing I've noticed is that people who are VERY strong tend to be unwilling to play small pots. So they will show you their hand strength on the turn/river and you can decide if you are beat. If you push hard on these players earlier into the hand, it will be much tougher for you to get away once you've pushed over a third or half of your chips in.
As an aside - it sounds like you hit some pretty rough coolers, and that is the absolute most awfully terrible part of the game.  Hope your luck improves.
Posted Wed Apr 18, 2007 4:21 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
| Quote: | | how sure do you have to be your beat by an over pair to want to fold to non scary boards when players are this stubborn with TP? |
In a game like this, most of the time I'm willing to put in all my chips with an overpair, but again it depends on stack sizes.
If most people have around 50 BB's and they are overvaluing top pair, I will try and get my money in every time. If stacks are closer to 100 BB's, I will be a little more defensive but won't feel too bad about raising or even calling for my stack when we beat a wide variety of hands (here is a situation where I might bet the flop, and if I have position, just check behind on the turn to keep the pot small and give them a chance to bluff the river or make a bad value bet). If stacks are like 150+ BB's, I'm going to play a lot more careful and avoid putting in a huge chunk with just one pair (when stacks are either really big or really small, I often like to smooth call in position with big pairs--if stacks are small, I try to go for a big raise on the flop/turn, and if stacks are big, I like to play it a little slow and keep the pot small unless I flop a well-concealed set).
Posted Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:47 pm GMT by Jauron
Yeah see now I was trying to keep the pot small once I was no longer sure where I was but it was very hard. It would be say $20 to see the flop (I may or may not reraise preflop) and then at least $50 on the flop and higher every street. 1/2 NL you can do the math on where this is going. It was this way so many times I felt my flop decision was really the only one I needed to make, go with it either by calling or raising or fold it. Cheap was not on their minds.
Least you think the $20 preflop gives you my answer, honestly it was usually limped or $15-20 to go preflop, sometimes they went nuts and I could fold QQ. KK is VERY hard to fold preflop heads up.
For the most part if my stack was around my buy-in I went with it, if it was more I did my best to keep it as small as possible, often failing. They kept thinking I was on a draw.
Oddly enough JJ held up a like a champ most of the time and I did not get AA cracked the entire week.
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