Posted Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:34 am GMT by kingetje
PokerStars Game #9541261630: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/04/21 - 20:25:32 (ET)
Table 'Columbia' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: chad1998 ($99.55 in chips)
Seat 2: kidar1981 ($81.05 in chips)
Seat 3: Murph32874 ($126.30 in chips)
Seat 4: Fringe Toast ($100 in chips)
Seat 5: kingetje ($98.20 in chips)
Seat 6: sixxxpac ($50 in chips)
kingetje: posts small blind $0.50
sixxxpac: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to kingetje  
chad1998: folds
kidar1981: raises $3 to $4
Murph32874: calls $4
Fringe Toast: folds
kingetje: raises $7 to $11
sixxxpac: folds
kidar1981: calls $7
Murph32874: calls $7
*** FLOP ***   
kingetje: bets $18
kidar1981: calls $18
Murph32874: raises $32 to $50
kingetje: ??
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Posted Sun Apr 22, 2007 12:37 pm GMT by khaosanroad
1 of them has a high PP. The other has either a set or flush draw.
I think I shut it down.
Posted Sun Apr 22, 2007 12:53 pm GMT by MrDarling
Am not really worried about A's here.
For someone to have A's they'd have to be stupid enough to cold call raises twice or call a raise and a reraise with 2 people in the pot. Very badly played.
I'm only worried about a set, and a possible flush draw. Cold caller probably have T's - J's though Ax of spade is a small possibility.
I hate this spot though. You getting great odds. Hell, even a draw is getting great odds here. I guess I call. I like to pay sets.
Posted Sun Apr 22, 2007 4:36 pm GMT by Jefecaminador
Fold, theres almost no way you're ahead here and you only have 2 outs, one if the other guy has a FD. You've only put in 29$ and you've got 70 left. Unless you have a good read that a guy might raise 2 players in this position with air, save your money and fold.
Posted Mon Apr 23, 2007 11:23 am GMT by Jauron
Pot is too big IMO and I've put 1/3 of my chips in play. Unless we are sure villian would only do this with a set I push here.
Again though, I really don't understand the flop bet unless we want action, when we get it and then go into the tank I have to scratch my head a little.
Posted Mon Apr 23, 2007 12:26 pm GMT by tame_deuces
| khaosanroad wrote: | | 1 of them has a high PP. The other has either a set or flush draw. |
Not commenting on the hand at all here. Just wanted to say that if we follow this logic, we should not fold. 
Posted Mon Apr 23, 2007 3:44 pm GMT by khaosanroad
| tame_deuces wrote: | | khaosanroad wrote: | | 1 of them has a high PP. The other has either a set or flush draw. |
Not commenting on the hand at all here. Just wanted to say that if we follow this logic, we should not fold. |
Obviously we are not too concerned about Kidar, whom likely has something like QQ or JJ.
Based on preflop and flop action Murph has either a set or flush draw, but more likely a set. If he has a flush draw I would think he'd reraise more so that the other 2 have to go all-in to call.
Heads up I think I push. Definitely not call. 3-way pot based on the action I think it's a set.
This of course is without any reads.
Posted Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:26 am GMT by Yozman
i think the pot is already too big to get away from this hand. im pushing here and be sick when 1 of em hits a flush or has a set, u still hav outs however if 1 of em is on a spade draw u only hav the K  . tough spot, there is a good chance that u r against JJ and a draw so u might be a solid fav. i would say it is 50-50 that u are against a set/draw JJ/draw, considering this u are getting the right price on your money so i am pushing. i am fairly aggressive though
imo its better to put your opponents in the tough decision wheter to call or not rather than u trying to figure it out, of course sometimes its an easy call and othere its tough and u push them off the best hand
Posted Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:54 am GMT by UrAteUp
I make the call here and if I end up paying off AA, a set or a flush then so be it. The way it was played I would say the re-raise was by someone with 1010, JJ or QQ.
Interested to see what hero does do though.
Posted Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:25 am GMT by kingetje
well i did not lay it down... i couldnt call of course as that would leave me pot comitted like crazy... so i shoved
PokerStars Game #9541261630: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/04/21 - 20:25:32 (ET)
Table 'Columbia' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: chad1998 ($99.55 in chips)
Seat 2: kidar1981 ($81.05 in chips)
Seat 3: Murph32874 ($126.30 in chips)
Seat 4: Fringe Toast ($100 in chips)
Seat 5: kingetje ($98.20 in chips)
Seat 6: sixxxpac ($50 in chips)
kingetje: posts small blind $0.50
sixxxpac: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to kingetje
chad1998: folds
kidar1981: raises $3 to $4
Murph32874: calls $4
Fringe Toast: folds
kingetje: raises $7 to $11
sixxxpac: folds
kidar1981: calls $7
Murph32874: calls $7
*** FLOP ***
kingetje: bets $18
kidar1981: calls $18
Murph32874: raises $32 to $50
kingetje: raises $37.20 to $87.20 and is all-in
kidar1981: folds
Murph32874: calls $37.20
*** TURN *** 
*** RIVER *** 
*** SHOW DOWN ***
kingetje: shows (two pair, Kings and Threes)
Murph32874: shows   (a full house, Sixes full of Threes)
Murph32874 collected $223.40 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $226.40 | Rake $3
Board
Seat 1: chad1998 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: kidar1981 folded on the Flop
Seat 3: Murph32874 showed and won ($223.40) with a full house, Sixes full of Threes
Seat 4: Fringe Toast (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: kingetje (small blind) showed and lost with two pair, Kings and Threes
Seat 6: sixxxpac (big blind) folded before Flop
Posted Thu Apr 26, 2007 2:54 pm GMT by AHBrownell
Raise more preflop.
With the bet and call, and the blinds - there are 9.5x BBs in there. I make it like 15x BB here. Your raise to 11 puts 20.5x BB in the pot, and the initial raiser only has to call 7 to win 20.5 - about 3:1, with great implied odds AND if the first player calls, the second player will surely call for his nearly 4:1 odds, (and again huge implied odds).
With your preflop bet, this is now a terrible board for you. I would put both opponents on small/middle pairs, and if I saw resistance on this board, I'd have to fold to a reraise.
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