Posted Mon Apr 23, 2007 1:50 pm GMT by MrDarling
Haven't played any omaha in a long time.
Today was in the mood. Needed some break from poker. Maybe needed to play the NUTS game.
Sat in a table , all big stacks for a change until this happened :
Full Tilt Poker Game #2271297017: Table Sublight (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - Pot Limit Omaha - 11:56:45 ET - 2007/04/23
Seat 1: cracku69 ($12.50)
Seat 2: hero ($41.10)
Seat 3: ranger2002 ($12.60)
Seat 4: wixy ($35.70)
Seat 5: wAnNaCmYpAiR ($27.05)
Seat 6: KOOL02 ($58.05), is sitting out
wixy posts the small blind of $0.10
wAnNaCmYpAiR posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero    
cracku69 calls $0.25
hero calls $0.25
I almost never raise in omaha PF
ranger2002 folds
wixy raises to $1.25
wAnNaCmYpAiR folds
cracku69 calls $1
I'm calling here because I saw villain raise before with rags when there where few limpers - and my hand is pretty ok
hero calls $1
*** FLOP ***   
wixy bets $4
cracku69 folds
hero calls $4
*** TURN *** 
wixy bets $12
hero calls $12
*** RIVER *** 
wixy bets $18.45, and is all in
hero: if you have a bigger boat - good for you
hero calls $18.45
*** SHOW DOWN ***
wixy shows     (two pair, Aces and Kings)
hero shows (a full house, Fives full of Aces)
hero wins the pot ($69.90) with a full house, Fives full of Aces
Then the very next hand :
Full Tilt Poker Game #2271301082: Table Sublight (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - Pot Limit Omaha - 11:57:53 ET - 2007/04/23
Seat 1: cracku69 ($11.25)
Seat 2: hero ($75.30)
Seat 3: ranger2002 ($25)
Seat 4: wixy ($0), is sitting out
Seat 5: wAnNaCmYpAiR ($26.80)
Seat 6: KOOL02 ($58.05), is sitting out
wAnNaCmYpAiR posts the small blind of $0.10
cracku69 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero   
wixy stands up
hero calls $0.25
Sir Postman sits down
ranger2002 folds
Sir Postman adds $25
wAnNaCmYpAiR calls $0.15
cracku69 checks
*** FLOP ***  
hero: guess not
wAnNaCmYpAiR checks
cracku69 checks
hero bets $0.75
wAnNaCmYpAiR raises to $1.50
cracku69 folds
hero raises to $3
wAnNaCmYpAiR calls $1.50
*** TURN *** 
wAnNaCmYpAiR checks
hero bets $3.50
wAnNaCmYpAiR raises to $7
hero calls $3.50
*** RIVER *** 
wAnNaCmYpAiR bets $16.55, and is all in
hero calls $16.55
*** SHOW DOWN ***
wAnNaCmYpAiR shows    (a pair of Fives)
hero shows (three of a kind, Tens)
hero wins the pot ($51.85) with three of a kind, Tens
wAnNaCmYpAiR is sitting out
I decided that if villain did have J's I pay her off. didn't even consider the str8 she was trying to represnt by the river. She berated me for that call. I told her she didn't think her bluff though.
2 hands = 4Xbuyin .
Omaha can be great sometimes.
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Posted Mon Apr 23, 2007 1:53 pm GMT by tame_deuces
True story:
Buddy of mine won 10 buy-ins in an omaha game before he realized he could only use 2 cards in his hand.
Morale:
Omaha swings. alot.
Posted Mon Apr 23, 2007 2:16 pm GMT by MrDarling
| tame_deuces wrote: | True story:
...Omaha swings. alot.
|
Yeah, tell me about it. On my other table I barely managed to stay even. My sets kept cracking, my flopped nut str8's where worth less etc..
I'm actually playing very scared, as you can see from the above 2 hands.
Unless I have the nuts + redraws to the nuts I try to keep the pot small. If I have a set and there is draws, I just bet the min to make it unprofitable for them to chase (So a little over half the pot usually) I don't pot it every time I have a vulnerable nut simply because I don't want to have a big decision on the river when the flush or str hit and my set doesn't look to good. If I managed to keep the pot small, it is easier to call their river bets...
But the fish are plenty, and if you are willing to sit tight and play nuts only, and if your BR can stand the swings - I think there is profit to be made here.
Still, NL is my game, this was just a little breather and a nice Br builder 
Posted Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:48 am GMT by crack
I don't think Omaha is really a raising game preflop, although I do raise every now and then to mix it up.
Didn't like your hand ATT8 one bit, but it worked out for you. Big pots and bluffing generally don't work so I proably wouldn't be putting them on a bluff and by the river there are a few straights she could have backed in to.
I don't really think ATT8 is a strong enough hand anyway to be playing in EP, especially as it's not suited, but I don't really know about playing the PL25 or 50 games, so perhaps it's fine.
Nice haul.
Posted Mon May 28, 2007 5:38 pm GMT by MrDarling
Yeah, down at the micro's you get at least 60% people seeing the flop.
And most of them will call one raise with A4C...
So I actually play most pairs from any position, unless the table is aggressive. (half tables all the pots are limps, half there is always a raise)
Anyway, been having some bad Holdem lately. Managed to lose 4 buyins in two days so decided to sit in Omaha again today. 2 sessions later and I'm 8 buyins up. Damn, I can't even lose that amount so fast in holdem...
Gotta love it. When you run good you get payed. Flopped quads twice. Though in unraised pot and couldn't get any action.
But my flopped boats got paid. My trips rivered boat got paid. My nut str8 got paid and I'm a happy camper.
People really have time to get away from any 2 pairs regardless of the board texture. And some of them think they play Holdem and play TPTK like its the nuts.
When I run good, I love omaha.
Posted Tue May 29, 2007 2:13 am GMT by MrDarling
Few big hands :
Full Tilt Poker Game #2529044631: Table Carnegie - $0.05/$0.10 - Pot Limit Omaha - 13:33:02 ET - 2007/05/28
Seat 1: ErnieB14 ($3.90)
Seat 2: Kenobi ($8.95)
Seat 3: Scratchoff ($10)
Seat 4: Wild Dan ($18.40)
Seat 5: Hero ($12)
Seat 6: nomt21 ($5.40)
Seat 7: allin54 ($9.90)
Seat 9: Antibus ($12.15)
allin54 posts the small blind of $0.05
Antibus posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero  
ErnieB14 folds
Kenobi folds
Scratchoff calls $0.10
Wild Dan folds
Hero calls $0.10
nomt21 folds
allin54 calls $0.05
Antibus checks
*** FLOP ***  
allin54 checks
Antibus checks
Scratchoff checks
Hero checks
*** TURN *** 
allin54 bets $0.20
Antibus folds
Scratchoff raises to $1
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero calls $1
allin54 folds
*** RIVER ***
Scratchoff bets $2.30
IceGenneral sits down
IceGenneral adds $10
Hero raises to $9.50
Scratchoff calls $6.60, and is all in
Uncalled bet of $0.60 returned to Hero
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hero shows (a full house, Sevens full of Tens)
Scratchoff shows   (a straight, Ten high)
Hero wins the pot ($18.40) with a full house, Sevens full of Tens
Scratchoff is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $20.40 | Rake $2
Board:
Seat 1: ErnieB14 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Kenobi didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Scratchoff showed and lost with a straight, Ten high
Seat 4: Wild Dan didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: Hero showed and won ($18.40) with a full house, Sevens full of Tens
Seat 6: nomt21 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: allin54 (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 9: Antibus (big blind) folded on the Turn
Full Tilt Poker Game #2530719915: Table DePaul (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - Pot Limit Omaha - 17:45:12 ET - 2007/05/28
Seat 1: gunitkracker ($37.60)
Seat 2: MuhGwighan ($24.95), is sitting out
Seat 3: X_Franchise_X ($10.95)
Seat 4: Hero ($37.70)
Seat 5: rake5 ($27.60)
Seat 6: draped8iron ($25)
Hero posts the small blind of $0.10
rake5 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero   
draped8iron calls $0.25
gunitkracker folds
X_Franchise_X calls $0.25
Hero calls $0.15
rake5 checks
*** FLOP ***  
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero checks
rake5 bets $1
draped8iron raises to $4
X_Franchise_X folds
Hero raises to $14
rake5 folds
draped8iron raises to $24
Hero raises to $37.45, and is all in
draped8iron calls $0.75, and is all in
Hero shows
draped8iron shows 
Uncalled bet of $12.70 returned to Hero
*** TURN ***
*** RIVER ***
Hero shows a flush, Ace high
draped8iron shows a pair of Kings
Hero wins the pot ($48.95) with a flush, Ace high
draped8iron is sitting out
Full Tilt Poker Game #2530574180: Table Diazo (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - Pot Limit Omaha - 17:24:32 ET - 2007/05/28
Seat 1: sajava ($24.40)
Seat 2: David Blane ($16.20)
Seat 3: kingsosa ($17.15), is sitting out
Seat 4: Hero ($24.75)
Seat 5: cowboyxxx1 ($19.25)
Seat 6: STONEBLADE1 ($37.75)
Hero posts the small blind of $0.10
cowboyxxx1 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero 
STONEBLADE1 calls $0.25
sajava folds
David Blane folds
Hero raises to $1
cowboyxxx1 calls $0.75
STONEBLADE1 calls $0.75
*** FLOP ***
Hero checks
cowboyxxx1 checks
STONEBLADE1 bets $1.50
Hero calls $1.50
cowboyxxx1 calls $1.50
*** TURN ***
Hero checks
cowboyxxx1 checks
STONEBLADE1 checks
*** RIVER ***
Hero bets $3.10
cowboyxxx1 folds
STONEBLADE1 raises to $16.80
Hero raises to $22.25, and is all in
STONEBLADE1 calls $5.45
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hero shows (a full house, Aces full of Kings)
STONEBLADE1 mucks
Hero wins the pot ($49.40) with a full house, Aces full of Kings
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $52 | Rake $2.60
Board:
Seat 1: sajava didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: David Blane (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: kingsosa is sitting out
Seat 4: Hero (small blind) showed and won ($49.40) with a full house, Aces full of Kings
Seat 5: cowboyxxx1 (big blind) folded on the River
Seat 6: STONEBLADE1 mucked   - a full house, Kings full of Nines
I usually play this hand much slower, but this villain was a real maniac. A couple of hands ago he called my AI with A high and some kind of a gut draw. So I gave him no credit.
Got lucky here.
Full Tilt Poker Game #2530736064: Table Trade (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - Pot Limit Omaha - 17:47:25 ET - 2007/05/28
Seat 1: NuclearEarth ($22.15)
Seat 2: Green73 ($32.35)
Seat 3: Cash fan22 ($25)
Seat 4: voodootoo ($31)
Seat 5: Hero ($24.50)
Seat 6: spezialagent ($40.15)
Hero posts the small blind of $0.10
spezialagent posts the big blind of $0.25
Cash fan22 posts $0.25
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero  
NuclearEarth calls $0.25
Green73 calls $0.25
Cash fan22 checks
voodootoo calls $0.25
Hero calls $0.15
spezialagent checks
*** FLOP ***
Hero checks
spezialagent bets $0.75
NuclearEarth folds
Green73 calls $0.75
Cash fan22 folds
voodootoo folds
Hero raises to $4.50
spezialagent calls $3.75
Green73 folds
*** TURN ***
Hero checks
spezialagent bets $11.25
Hero raises to $19.75, and is all in
spezialagent calls $8.50
Hero shows
spezialagent shows 
*** RIVER ***
Hero shows a full house, Fives full of Jacks
spezialagent shows a full house, Fives full of Threes
Hero wins the pot ($48.25) with a full house, Fives full of Jacks
Hero: ouch
spezialagent: ouch
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $50.75 | Rake $2.50
Board:
Seat 1: NuclearEarth folded on the Flop
Seat 2: Green73 folded on the Flop
Seat 3: Cash fan22 folded on the Flop
Seat 4: voodootoo (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Hero (small blind) showed and won ($48.25) with a full house, Fives full of Jacks
Seat 6: spezialagent (big blind) showed and lost with a full house, Fives full of Threes
Full Tilt Poker Game #2530927516: Table DePaul (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - Pot Limit Omaha - 18:13:54 ET - 2007/05/28
Seat 1: gunitkracker ($52.65)
Seat 2: OMSOC ($15.75)
Seat 3: X_Franchise_X ($24.50)
Seat 4: Hero ($66.50)
Seat 5: rake5 ($19.45)
Seat 6: Nitilism ($22.45)
Nitilism posts the small blind of $0.10
gunitkracker posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero 
OMSOC calls $0.25
X_Franchise_X calls $0.25
Hero calls $0.25
rake5 calls $0.25
Nitilism calls $0.15
gunitkracker checks
*** FLOP ***
Nitilism checks
gunitkracker checks
OMSOC checks
X_Franchise_X checks
Hero bets $0.75
rake5 folds
Nitilism calls $0.75
gunitkracker folds
X_Franchise_X stands up
OMSOC folds
X_Franchise_X folds
*** TURN *** 
Nitilism checks
Hero bets $3
Nitilism raises to $10.50
Hero raises to $34.50
Nitilism calls $10.95, and is all in
Hero shows
Nitilism shows
Uncalled bet of $13.05 returned to Hero
*** RIVER ***
Hero shows a straight, Ace high
Nitilism shows two pair, Kings and Jacks
Hero wins the pot ($43.65) with a straight, Ace high
Nitilism adds $25
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $45.90 | Rake $2.25
Board:
Seat 1: gunitkracker (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: OMSOC folded on the Flop
Seat 3: X_Franchise_X folded on the Flop
Seat 4: Hero showed and won ($43.65) with a straight, Ace high
Seat 5: rake5 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Nitilism (small blind) showed and lost with two pair, Kings and Jacks
Full Tilt Poker Game #2530824014: Table Trade (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - Pot Limit Omaha - 17:59:40 ET - 2007/05/28
Seat 1: NuclearEarth ($18.50)
Seat 2: Green73 ($30.20)
Seat 3: Cash fan22 ($24.90)
Seat 4: voodootoo ($28.50)
Seat 5: Hero ($47.50)
Seat 6: spezialagent ($42.05)
voodootoo posts the small blind of $0.10
Hero posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero
spezialagent folds
NuclearEarth calls $0.25
Green73 folds
Cash fan22 folds
voodootoo calls $0.15
Hero raises to $1
NuclearEarth calls $0.75
voodootoo calls $0.75
*** FLOP ***
voodootoo checks
Hero bets $3
NuclearEarth calls $3
voodootoo folds
*** TURN *** 
Hero checks
NuclearEarth bets $9
Hero raises to $36
NuclearEarth calls $5.50, and is all in
Hero shows
NuclearEarth shows 
Uncalled bet of $21.50 returned to Hero
*** RIVER ***
Hero shows a straight, Ace high
NuclearEarth shows two pair, Queens and Jacks
Hero wins the pot ($36.10) with a straight, Ace high
NuclearEarth is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $38 | Rake $1.90
Board:
Seat 1: NuclearEarth showed and lost with two pair, Queens and Jacks
Seat 2: Green73 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Cash fan22 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: voodootoo (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Hero (big blind) showed and won ($36.10) with a straight, Ace high
Posted Tue May 29, 2007 3:28 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Enjoy that while you can at the micro limits, because hand selection like that (in some of those hands) simply won't fly as you move up to face competent players.
Posted Tue May 29, 2007 4:16 am GMT by MrDarling
Yeah , and I only play 30% of my hands...
Like I said I play most pocket pairs, espcially if they come with a suited A. I play most mid+ connectors (ie 4 to the str) regardless of suit, since I'm not inlove with small flushes.
If there is a raise I'll tighten up a lot depending on the raiser, then my hand need to be draw heavy with nut potential.
Though I'm still pretty loose PF, I'm very tight post flop. Since loads of people see the flop I only draw to the nuts and am very careful with 2nd nuts.
For example a hand I didn't post I had a multi draw HU on the flop (nut str + K high flush) Villain potted and I just called. turn gave me the nuts. And again villain potted. I hated it, but decided to call. the river got villain pushing AI, and I decided he is going to have to show me the nut flush. He didn't, but I would have happily check it down to SD.
i've seen too many players bust with the 2nd and even the 10th nuts in this game.
BTW, been watching some of the high stakes omaha on FT. Its much sicker there. I guess the game changes a lot once you know most flops will be HU. All of a sudden over pairs is a strong hand.
Posted Tue May 29, 2007 5:38 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Overplaying pairs smaller than Jacks can be a real problem in Omaha, as flopping set over set is a lot more common than it is in Hold'em, and having the "underfull" house (ie you have 88 on a J-J-8-6-5 board) can leave you short many times because of all the relevant J-x holdings, whereas having an "overfull" house leaves you in a lot better position (ie you have KK on a K-J-J-9-7 board). Gotta play small sets cautiously.
I'm not saying don't play the small pairs, but I'm probably going to play them in strong combinations with other cards, like suited Aces as you mentioned or decent double-suited 3-straights (ie 8  7 7  6 ), where I flop a lot of quality draws with good blocking potential.
That's kind of the paradox in Omaha though. It's really only profitable against bad players, in which case you don't have to be nearly as selective with your hands. In tough games, it's very rare to see all the money go in where it is not very close to a 50-50, and Omaha tournaments... well, let's just say I don't think much of the relevance of skill in Omaha tournaments (but then again, somehow Phil Ivey, Sam Farha, Rafi Amit, and Robert Williamson seem to dominate the game so thoroughly).
Posted Tue May 29, 2007 5:45 am GMT by Jernej Zorec
funny even online u can see some pretty sick omaha mtt dominators
Posted Tue May 29, 2007 12:55 pm GMT by snoogins47
| xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: | | well, let's just say I don't think much of the relevance of skill in Omaha tournaments (but then again, somehow Phil Ivey, Sam Farha, Rafi Amit, and Robert Williamson seem to dominate the game so thoroughly). |
Lucksackery and a 'never let up' attitude probably. Though really, hand-reading and being able to exploit your opponent is, as always, hugely important. I'm not much of a PLO player and the game does get pretty annoying and coinflippy, but because of that, being able to figure out how and when to shut opponents out of the pot, pot manipulation, and other fairly subtle and fairly boring concepts seem to play a huge role.
I've even noticed from my own limited experiences in PLO and PLO8 that so many of the bets/raises I make carry a HUGE amount of 'other factors' when compared to NLHE: my thought processes in omaha, even PLO, are more similar to games like stud and even FLHE... lots of jostling for position, taking advantage of position/relative position, shutting people out to increase my equity, or sometimes keeping them involved to make my hand work better, yadda yadda. This probably goes even moreso for tournaments: with how closely hands run in value, taking advantage of favorable TOURNAMENT situations becomes of the utmost importance, and 'playing your cards right' falls somewhat by the wayside.
Okay I'm done with this rambly post, though I really feel I should've kept it going.
Posted Fri Jun 01, 2007 6:34 pm GMT by MrDarling
well, its still works.
had a 2 hours session the other day, opened 6 omaha tables and netted $110. Today opeoned 8 tabled and made $90.This is mainly at $25 (though today I played 1 table $50)
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