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Posted Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:05 am GMT by xGinNJuicex
SNG Tournament with 5 players left. I'm in the SB with K  10 . EP and LP limp in as do I and BB checks.
Flop: 10  4  2
Pot is 600, I lead out for 300. BB Raises all-in for 1,040 total. EP, who is very loose and hitting everything and has a stack of about 8,000, just calls. LP Folds. I have about 1300 behind if I call here...
You're getting around 4:1 here andf you've got TPGK on an innocent looking board. What do you put these guys on and do you call, push, or fold for some reason...
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Posted Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:37 am GMT by Eusebio
Could be that the BB has a strange hand like 42, T2. Since the the other guy just calls he probably hasnt a made hand yet, or a monster (set) and is trying to suck you in.
My thoughts would go in the other direction:
If I call and lose, i have just about 9 times the BB... and i am up against 3-4 Players with a shortstack.
I fold here (and usually regret that i didnt call  ), hope that the BB gets busted and try to do my best with my 2000...
Edit:
had a similar hand last night
6 handed SnG,
AK in the BB (3600)
utg (2000) limps
Button(2200) folds
Sb raises 3x BB to 300
I reraise to 700
utg goes all-in
SB calls
i fold
utg shows KQ
SB shows AQ
board were lowcards, would have busted both, but could have lost it and would have had to play with a smallstack, so i kept almost 3000 and went on to win the thing
Posted Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:38 pm GMT by BMG13
Next time realize what position you are in and act accordingly. You won't run into these problems that way.
Posted Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:28 pm GMT by efram
BMG13,
Are you saying you would fold K10s preflop from the small blind 5 handed with 2 limpers in front?
Is re-raising an option here preflop?
Seems if we're afraid of 102,104 or 42 now, a re-raise preflop would have gotten these hands out preflop.
Yes we're out of position and K10s is a marginal hand, but is limping in always -EV here?
Now that we've limped, facing the action we are, I fold.
I think BB got lucky with 2 pair and we've plenty of chips left to do damage in later hands.
Why risk so much of our stack when all we have is TP/GK vs this kind of action. Beyond that, is calling an option, or is it push or fold? Seems if we call we're basically pot committed anyway.
I think we're beat here and fold. But I'm a nit.
Posted Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:28 pm GMT by fiezk
KTs is PLENTY good to limp in from the sb, and I like to bet out on a flop like this. It shows a lot of strength to bet into the field, if you get called or raised you will have to make a decision. It is usually the cheapest way to gain information in a situation like this imo.
Following a push and a call though, we have to figure that we are beat. Two players have shown significant strength here, and there are only two tens left in the deck. There are no draws other than 53, so it is quite likely one of them has either a set or two pair.
Posted Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:43 pm GMT by BMG13
I didn't say limping was bad. I said realize your position. Don't bet that flop... what you are trying to do by limping in is catch a monster hand. TPGK is hardly a monster hand. Slow down, let them bet.... you can then re-raise to actually see where they are at or just smooth call once. Turn might give you two pair, 3 of a kind, or a flush draw.
Posted Tue Apr 24, 2007 7:34 pm GMT by xGinNJuicex
| BMG13 wrote: | | I didn't say limping was bad. I said realize your position. Don't bet that flop... what you are trying to do by limping in is catch a monster hand. TPGK is hardly a monster hand. Slow down, let them bet.... you can then re-raise to actually see where they are at or just smooth call once. Turn might give you two pair, 3 of a kind, or a flush draw. |
That doesn't make much sense to me. First you argue that TPGK is not good enough to lead out in this spot but you then say we could raise to gain information? If I raise, I end up spending more money in order to find out where I'm at, whereas if I lead out I dictate the action and can fold if strength is shown. Calling also costs you as much, if not more than if you lead out, and if it checks around you're giving someone with two overs a chance to catch.
What confused me about this hand was the call by EP. If he had 2 pair or a set I would think he might push. Also, how does the fact that we're getting around 4:1 play into your decision here?
Posted Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:19 am GMT by MrDarling
first , lets try to make some sense of the situation :
Your stack is around 1600 and the blinds are 75/150 ?
Your M is a little small to make play. Almost every hand you are involved with should be push or fold.
That said, of course I complete this from the SB. Depend on the table, I might even raise it, but probably not.
Now this is not a bad flop for you. Again, table depended I might check this , but for deception reason I'm not that afraid yet of any other hands. However leading is probably the best option, and folding to all this action is also good.Unless you have good reads.
Posted Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:11 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
With a lot of limpers, NO flop is innocent.
TPGK is rarely good here, even against a loose caller.
Posted Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:00 am GMT by Yozman
either fold or push i reckon. if u push u might get a call from the loose guy which u might have beat. u might lose to the original pusher but win the side pot against the loose player, im probably pushing here. u dont hav a big stack to defend too, good opp to triple here.
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