Posted Thu Apr 26, 2007 5:41 pm GMT by tame_deuces
25NL homegame or so, 5 handed.
BB is an ok lag who likes action and funky hands. We tangle some of the time. Abbout 80BBs behind and I cover.
I get   in the SB.
Folds, I raise 4x, BB calls.
Flop:   
I pot, BB shoves, I instacall.
Thoughts?
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Posted Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:04 pm GMT by Phil14312
Its probably close to a coinflip when he pushes like that. I probably fold, my guess with his hand is a flush draw with the 8 
Posted Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:43 pm GMT by BMG13
I'm not really confident in TPGK, but I don't know your friend. Online, I'd fold this most of the time. There's just too many hands that can beat you.
I hate being OOP on SB raises  Gimme 23o so I can fold.
Posted Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:31 pm GMT by gumbie
SB BB play between ppl that know each other is a bit hard to comment on.
You instacalled so u must think he pushes with all kinds of things here.
My guess is he showed 82 or 92.
Posted Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:50 pm GMT by jeffonline
I like to be little more cautious in these situations, he has called your pre-flop raise, no big deal, except why, does he have a hand or is he confident with position he can out play you on a later street, you pot bet the flop and he comes over the top, if he was looking to out play you and didn’t have a hand, I can’t see him committing all his chips this early on a bluff after your raise. I’m thinking over pair or trips on the flop. If you checked or made a smaller raise on the flop and he come over the top I would not have been as concerned.
Posted Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:08 am GMT by MrDarling
There is obviously history going on between the two of you that we can't comment on.
My guess is he thought your bluffing and you thought he's bluffing and turned out you were right and cracked his A high..
Posted Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:18 am GMT by jimmer
| MrDarling wrote: | | There is obviously history going on between the two of you |
This is an excellent point. I never play my homegames the same way I play elswhere. My mates know me too well.
Is this the case here tame???
Posted Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:07 am GMT by tame_deuces
| BMG13 wrote: | | I'm not really confident in TPGK, but I don't know your friend. Online, I'd fold this most of the time. |
Very much agreed on this, this hand is def. a 'special case'.
| gumbie wrote: | | SB BB play between ppl that know each other is a bit hard to comment on. |
| MrDarling wrote: | | There is obviously history going on between the two of you that we can't comment on. |
| jimmer wrote: |
Is this the case here tame??? |
Yeah, this is pretty much correct. But that in itself is a pretty interesting strategy point though, and pretty much the one I wondered if people would comment on.
| jeffonline wrote: | | I like to be little more cautious in these situations. |
Very true, its a large bet my opponent made afterall.
| Phil14312 wrote: | | Its probably close to a coinflip when he pushes like that. I probably fold, my guess with his hand is a flush draw with the 8 |
Yes, this was pretty much my thinking also. Either I'm crushed or my opponent has a draw where I'm anything from 70% fav to a coinflip.
In the end I just thought coinflip decision + pot odds = call, and I lucked out and my opponent tabled T7 for the wrap draw. I don't think was a 'good' call though, probably more influenced by running a little hot against this player than I wanted to admit there and then. A call is maybe ok, instacalling was a biiig stretch.
Posted Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:08 pm GMT by exit music
Considering your pot odds, your read, and the fact that this is a NL25 home game, a call isn't absurd here. But I would also say that if you were playing this hand online against a tighter player, you took the wrong line. My advise is to look at every reason for calling here and figure out exactly why you shouldn't call in a different situation.
Posted Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:51 pm GMT by Phil14312
I've made looser calls against opponents I play with a lot shorthanded.
Posted Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:46 pm GMT by snoogins47
He's totally got diamonds.
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